Songia Brown said...> "This is the sister of the guy who is being blamed for this mess... withness say it was a Latin king!!, my brother is African american, how the hell could he fit that description??? This neighborhood is nuts and I cannot wait till we move outta this place! how dare they try to pin this on him.. he wasn't even there at the time of the shooting!""He didn't do it...."
How many times have we heard that before? The police have witnesses that picked him out of a line-up. Could they be in on the conspiracy?
Comments? Thoughts? Or are you just speechless?
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This is the first I have heard about the witnesses claiming it was a Latin King... is this true, or is she making this up?
Near relations of the accused tend not to be the most objective observers in the world. I wouldn't want to believe that a brother I loved did a thing like this, either.
However, she has a point, which is that it is better to let the police, the prosecution, and a jury sort it all out. We sometimes jump to hasty and unjustifiable conclusions out here and act like a mob, which is why we have something called "due process" to keep the mob from acting as prosecutor, jury, judge, and executioner.
These gang killings tend to be messy, because there are so many conflicting stories and rumors to sort out.
I completely agree North Coast, but is it that true about the witness's claim (Hispanic, not African American)?
I would like to know if this kid is in jail due to false claims, or if the girl is just trying to free her brother by lying.
oh, I"m sure it's just another kid that has never been involved in gangs and was no where near the site of the shooting - please
I poseted on this site days ago that the witnesses at the scene said it was a hispanic shooter. Even the victims mother at the scene told the police that the shooter was hispanic.
picked him out of a line up? i thought nobody did it that way any more.
these kind of identifications tend to result in the person who looks the most like the perp being id'ed. they used to get a lot of credence, but 'the innocence project' has found that they are in fact quite unreliable.
i think the new technique is to show pics one at a time, focusing on whether or not that single person is the perp. way more accurate. i suppose chicago police will start using this at the turn of the next century.
been there
If you knew, remotely what you were talking about, you would know that referring to a 'line-up', in today's world, means a 'photo line-up'!
Fortunately forensics can detect the residue of gun powder for days.
If police were allowed to pursue science and the justice system were not so fucked up we could get criminals off the street. But that is not the case, million dollar bond is likely out of this kids reach. There are lots of camera's that cover that block. Private and public. If the state really wanted an iron clad case.....
But face the facts folks, the likely hood of two state funded teams fighting it out on our dime to get a correct answer. Speechless on the mind boggling cluster fuck this will become.
FICA, State and local taxes paying for this little side show.
I am not going to follow this one two closely until the sequel, I mean appeal.
yes mike, i know that they use photos these days. i was just wondering if cpd is keeping up with the latest, or just doing it like they used to do. they seem pretty resistant to change.
it wasnt him.. it was truly a Latin king named Cholo. Wrong guy
Been there, you need to get out of the house a little more and stop reading those anti-police blogs. Get a clue!
Oh, I forgot to mention this. I arrested a black guy last night. Guess what gang he belonged to. Yup, the latin kings.
not from a blog, bd. from 'the innocence project', like i said. the guys who kept all those innocent men from being executed. what was it, 12? 14? guys just in illinois. they really were able to point at practices that led to erroneous convictions. some were pretty obvious, but some were not so obvious. line ups was one that was not obvious. everybody thinks that eyewitness id is the best evidence you can have. but it is very iffy stuff, unless the witness knows the person. a regular line up will get you the guy who looks the most like the perp. it is better to let the witness look at one photo at a time, judging each individually.
the whole project was very interesting. progressive police departments would do well to study it's conclusion.
The Police don't make the rules. Its Felony Review who dictates that lineups be done. Hell. they even want a lineup if the guy got caught right away and ID'd on the scene.
I am deeply wounded inside out because some people believe I am saying this to free my brother when the fact is he really didn't do it and the real shooter is still out there and what happens when the next time he kills a young child then everyone will see the truth. But my mom is a single parent raising four children who is in school about to graduate with her Bachelors Degree in Child Pschology and I will be graduating in May of 2010 with my degree in Surgical Technician, my younger brother Maxwell and James were leaving off to Joliet Junior College where they both are prominent football and basketball players who earned the title of All Around Conference now how many young men have accomplished that.My brother Jamesgraduated fro Evanston Township last year with good grades, now I am not saying my brother is an angel because he has had his share of fights but with his hands not with weapons or guns but that doesn't make him a criminal. Now I am far from being racist because I was taught to love all people so please don't misunderstand me viewers. I just want the public and the authorities to get the truth at whatever matters it take to free my brother he is only 19 years old and has never been in prison or did jail time he had been in the station for fighting as men do from time to time because of their egos. How can my brother have done this if he was in the house with me, my mother, my lil sister, my boyfriend, my other brother and my moms friend who is an hispanic guy who also told the police he saw these hispanic guys running down my block at the time of the shooting and my brother was in the house so you tell me can he be at two places at one time,no! .Funny since my brother has been in jail the same police who put him there are riding around harrassing my other brother when he is just walking to the store telling him hey we got your brother and we are going to put you in a cell next to your brother and laughing. .With evidence the truth will finally come out and everyone who thought or had doubts to whether or not he's guilty will see and you all will see how messed up our society and system is not fair when I thought the Constitution made laws to protect everyone regardless of race or ethnicity.Trust me if my brother was an evl person who shoots at anybody I wouldn't care if he is punished because he is no better than the next person fair is fair. Has anyone stopped to think for a minute what this is diong to my mom everyday I have to be strong for her she doesn't want to go outside anymore, eat or sleep because she said it feels like someone put a knife in her heart and the pain only gets stronger.My brother calls on collect and my mom is paying for this, on July 3rd my brother told my mom in a cell next to his he witnessed a guy getting raped by another inmate and this man was full of blood,now my mom is really losing it because she feels her son might be next or get killed then in the end evidence proves he didn't do it then what my mom would probably have a heart attack and leave behing my little sister who is only 3 years old, me and my little bother Maxwell.I am hurting but I woory more for my mom because its her son and a mothers love is unconditional I really feel bad for her. If you are out there reading this empathize for a moment and put yourself in my moms shoes and now pretend it is you and the person in pain is your mom who you've had with no fatherand see how that feels, it hurts right so feel with me my moms pain everyday her son my brother is gone especially since you know he didn't do it.. help us!
This is the mother of James Brown, I have no bad comments to say to anyone because my only concern now is my son who has definitely been wrongfully charged. I know many of you may not believe this but the higher GOD knows the truth along with the real shooter of this child. My son is no angel but he's not a criminal and myself along with others place my son in my home at the time of this incident so theres no way this is true. I pray to GOD every second the person responsible for this turns himself in asap because my heart is bleeding every second for my son, just today he told me he witnessed another inmate rape another and the man was full of blood and raped before help arrived, I am so scared for my son's safety as well as his condition because he has never been in jail or prison.Before I go I want to say I am deeply hurt by some of the comments on my son but I guess ignorant and us as a people are so afraid of difference that we feel threathened I pray one day this society will respect each other as a individual and not a color or a statistic because if not the future is already done!
Is James Brown a latin king or not?
Hello! I would like to thank you the commenters on this page for not writing more hurtful opinions or comments on my son's behalf. Thank You!This is his mother again and as I said before to the shooter if you are out there and you're reading this please turn yourself in don't let my son take the fall for a crime he didn't commit because I need my son here with me he is my life so why are you doing this to me, you have a mother who I'm sure you love and wouldn't want to see this happen to her. He has a three year old sister who is very close to him and everyday she ask me where is her brother and starts crying when she don't see him, if you let him go to jail he will miss precious moments in her life that can't be replaced.I know you have a heart!This has taken a toll on his whole family lives because we have to not only endure his pain but ours as well and my mother is in her 60's so she can't have too much stress on her at this time.Please turn yourself in immediately I hold no grudge because I was taught to forgive,so I beg you to please turn yourself in, PLEASE!
I want to believe you, the mother and the sister (who strangely have the same screen name, but whatever, maybe they're sharing the account) but you have to understand we've heard this story a THOUSAND times before: the shooter is innocent, according to family members and friends who just happen to be the only people who can vouch for the suspect whereabouts at the time of the shooting; that the suspect, sure, has been in some trouble before and even spent time in jail and is known by the cops (and to me, it takes a lot for a person to be KNOWN by the cops, enough where they could spot him on the street and would promise to arrest him again and laugh about it), but basically he's just a good person who makes "mistake". Like I said, we've all heard it before. I want to believe you, really I do. There is nothing scarier to me than an innocent person being thrown in jail and having to endure fights, assaults, etc., behind bars for something they didn't do (the only thing scarier than that, I guess, would be if it was ME). But like I said, we've heard it before. So if some of us are skeptical, please understand. A lot of people in Rogers Park are scared/frustrated at all of the crime going on (there was a shooting just outside my window the other night) so when a suspect is caught, some people will cheer no matter who it is. If your brother/son is innocent, the i hope the truth comes out and he is released immediately. But if not, I hope they throw him in jail for a long time. Sorry, it's the way I feel.
What about the camera's.DONT THE WORK.When a police officer get's shot they work.In in fact. this young man is innocent. it's a shame that he's taking the rap,just so the system can finalyz this man's lif behind bar's
JAMES BROWN FOUND GUILTY OF SHOOTING AND SENTENCED TO 8 YEARS IN IDOC. I GUESS HE WAS THE SHOOTER. ANOTHER GANGBANGER TAKEN OFF THE STREET. NOW I FEEL SAFER. THANK YOU CPD
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