About 7PM tonight, a male black teen was shot in the back at 7367 North Winchester. A male black in a tan jacket was seen running from the scene and may be the alleged shooter. He was seen heading towards Pottawatomie Park. A crime scene is set up at Fargo and Winchester where a crowd is gathering. An officer radioed in that a taser had been discharged, too. EMS was called to the scene.
7:10PM: With such a vague description two different units have possible suspects.
7:33PM: A large group of people are now showing up at St. Francis Hospital in Evanston. They're saying the victim was 15 years old.
7:43PM: The teen is in critical condition with two gun shot wounds. One in the back and one in the butt.
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Good! Hopefully they have the correct person!
Craig, this is a bit concerning. If you have a name of the teen, could you send it to me via email? I will not share it with anybody.
This had NOTHING to do with the Park. It happened in front of a semi troubled building on Winchester. The alleged perp ran North on Winchester.
I WANT CONCEALED CARRY IN ILLINOIS!
Also, we had a truly fantastic response by the police. Response in about 90 seconds from my immediate 911 call, and they absolutely swarmed the area as well as shut down many streets in effect locking down the entire neighborhood.
If they get they guy all the better. Good job PD.
"I WANT CONCEALED CARRY IN ILLINOIS!"
Amen to that. Hell, I'd even be happy at this point if our FOID cards finally showed up in the mail.
Two and a half hours since the incident and it's like nothing ever happened on Winchester.
The Police Tape is gone, the Police are gone. And the rain washed everything else away.
All that's left is a broken (shot out) window on a car with Colorado plates....
What I want is an effective justice system that puts violent offenders behind bars and keeps them there.
The police do their job quite well, especially when you consider what they're up against... they're undermanned, underfunded, and have to deal with a thousand obstructive rules and procedures.
The prosecutors by and large do their jobs.
It is when it's time to mete out the sentence that things fall apart. Why do people who commit first degree murder get life in prison and get returned to the streets in 20, 10 or even fewer years? Why are people with rap sheets as long as Western Ave on the streets while other people are in jail for stuff that shouldn't even be considered criminal?
Our justice system is an utter travesty. We need a thorough reform of our sentencing laws, with much tougher and most of all CONSISTENTLY tough sentences for index crimes, alongside the decriminalization of "victimless" crimes- prostitution, drug possession.
Conceal and carry is only a recipe for more shootings. Wild west all over again-
"It is when it's time to mete out the sentence that things fall apart. Why do people who commit first degree murder get life in prison and get returned to the streets in 20, 10 or even fewer years? Why are people with rap sheets as long as Western Ave on the streets while other people are in jail for stuff that shouldn't even be considered criminal?"
North Coast: If you're completely obsessed with such questions, you should probably move out of Rogers Park. That's how most sane and normal people deal with them . . . . they DON'T, and instead achieve peace of mind by moving to Wilmette or Glencoe.
atleast we are still a good place for trick or treating, so long as you are dressed up as an fbi law man with a bulletproof vest on.
http://www.wgntv.com/news/wgntv-chicago-top-halloween-neighborhoods-oct30,0,1605510.story
weird collection of hoods
but here it is
1. bridgeport
2. albany park
3. logan square
4. rogers park
5. lake view
Different laws around the US.
La is a carry concealed loaded state. They even considered the death penalty for his crime.
A Shreveport man John Edward Marshall was sentenced to life in prison Friday.
His crime a crack dealer.
Caddo District Judge Craig Marcotte sentenced 54-year-old John Edward Marshall to life in prison.
I am not saying that I agree but there is no revolving door in La.
They lock you up and forget about you.
Todd, stop repeating the nonsense that the Brady people continue to spout. CCW will NOT, I repeat, NOT make this city the wild west. Show me one place where it has. And please don't parrot the slanted, biased, incorrect studies that the Brady always toss into the debate. I cannot and will not trust a government that denies it's citizens the right to self defense. Which is the reality when you have governments like those in Chicago or New York. Do you not believe in the Constitution of the United States or do you only believe in PARTS of it, the parts that people like Daley choose to support? Do you not think that it is already like the wild west in certain parts of the city despite having some of the toughest gun laws in the country? How can you or anybody else deny young women (or old women for that matter too) who must travel on the streets of this city late at night the right to protect themselves? How can you deny those same young women that same right in their homes? Why should law abiding citizens live in fear of becoming victims of the deviants that live here? Do you have ANY idea how many rapes, murders, robberies have occurred here that could have been prevented had those victims been allowed to possess a firearm? I do.
I have a bias. I think we have the best Police Department in the world. But even I have to admit that we cannot be everywhere all the time. You and you alone are responsible for your well being. I will do my part, do my best to ensure your well being. But you must do your part. And if that includes possessing a firearm, so be it. And the government should not be in the business of telling me that I can't. Especially one that is as corrupt as the one we have here.
Phred, so your saying that people like NorthCoast should surrender their homes, their communities to the thugs? They should just give up and flee? Like little girls? Sounds rather cowardly to me. Is that what you did or would do?
Big Daddy - anyone
What was going on Farwell, Morse and Lunt yesterday at about 2-3 pm yesterday?
The blocks were locked down squads and cops everywhere. Cops on bikes and foot neighbors everywhere were concerned.
Big Daddy: Aside from your sexist comment re "like little girls," there is nothing cowardly about making the choice to leave an area where the quality of life is piece-of-shit . . . . seems to me that "common sense" is a more apt description than "cowardly."
I don't live in RP, but where I live I don't have to deal with such crap and I'm quite happy about that.
Hellloooo Hubbard Woods!
St. Louis is now a CC city and the murder rate there, already twice per 100,000, increased greatly after permitting concealed carry. Worse, the whole thing is making the overstressed police there nervous wrecks to the point where they blew away one man who answered his door to them with his cellphone in his hand.... because they thought it was a weapon.
If you want to carry, you have a right. But don't expect it to make you any safer. When gang morons are firing at random, your gun isn't going to protect you from the stray bullet that comes through your living room window. Southern cities, where the rate of gun ownership is much higher than here, are total crime pits, much worse than northern cities.
And the suburbs are no refuge. Expect the crime rates to increase in these places, and expect to get burgled there. Friend of mine had his Naperville house MOVED OUT on him while he vacationed... no one questioned the moving truck parked in his driveway.
And if you are out on the interstate between cities, yeah, you'd better be armed.
We need a CIVIL SOCIETY, something most Americans seem to have given up on. We don't even expect it anymore.
Oh my God! How will I ever continue living after making the comment "like little girls"? I must be a closet sexist and didn't even know it. But at least I didn't run.
Northcoast- If your going to use the cops shooting a cellphone user in St.Louis because they thought he had a gun as an example, well I'm sure you realize that we had the same thing happen here. And we have the most stringent gun laws in the nation. CCW DOES make you safer. I'm living proof that it does. And I can tell you about hundreds of other people who will tell you their stories about it having made them safer. You cite stray bullets coming through your window as a reason to not have CCW. Doesn't that happen now? Then you cite your friend in Naperville. Apples and oranges as a burglary has nothing to do with CCW. One cannot use a gun against a burglar. Burglars strike when your away from home. At work, at play, whatever. If they strike when your home, they are no longer burglars, they are robbers, a perfect place and time to hone your marksmanship skills.
Northcoast, I say this with all due respect towards you. Every single day I encounter victims of violent crime that could have been prevented had that victim been armed. I'm tired of it. Many,many years ago I felt just as you did. Then after many,many more years of thinking, examining the issue and encountering those victims, I came to the conclusion that people should be allowed to carry a weapon for self protection IF THEY SO DESIRE and are capable and willing to use it when they are attacked. I want to carry a weapon. I want YOU to carry a weapon if that's what you wish. But please don't tell me or anybody else about how bad it is. I've seen too many rape victims scared both emotionally and physically for life, too many shop keepers robbed and maimed or killed, too many grieveing family members of innocent people killed to agree with you. Too many people who were made victims by a GOVERNMENT that disarmed them. The same government that protects and coddles them. The same government that will bend over backwards to make sure that THEIR rights are protected while at the same time ignoring yours. Sorry.
Concealed Carry Laws Make Society Safer
When the law allowing licensed Texans to carry concealed weapons was passed in 1995, there was a large protest. Many groups still advocate repealing the law. For instance, the Violence Policy Center, a research organization opposed to concealed carry, released reports in 1998 and 1999 highlighting the number of Texas licensees that were arrested since the law went into effect.
However, according to a study by engineering statistician William Sturdevant:
Licensees were 5.7 times less likely to be arrested for violent offenses than the general public -- 127 per 100,000 versus 730 per 100,000.
The general public is 1.4 times more likely to be arrested for murder than licensees and no licensees have been arrested for negligent manslaughter.
Only 6 of 200,000 licensees have been arrested for murder since the law was introduced and only 2 of those were found guilty.
Not only are the licensees less criminal-prone, carrying guns save lives and prevents crimes. For example, a study by the University of Chicago's John Lott found that had right-to-carry laws prevailed throughout the nation, there would have been 1,600 fewer murders, 4,200 fewer rapes and 60,000 fewer severe assaults.
In the early 1990s Texas's serious crime rate was 38 percent above the national average. Since then serious crime has dropped 50 percent faster than the nation as a whole. In light of Lott's research, it is likely that Texas's concealed carry law has contributed to the declining crime rates.
Source: H. Sterling Burnett, "Texas Concealed Handgun Carriers: Law-abiding Public Benefactors," NCPA Brief Analysis No. 324, June 2, 2000, National Center for Policy Analysis.
I happen to be one of those that moved to Glencoe. My wife and I were sick of the nonsense and the garbage on the streets... garbage has 2 meanings in this sentence.
I can tell you that I am NOT a coward! I played in a rather popular hardcore band for 10 years. At many of our shows, there were huge fights. Some involving bats, or knives and some guns. I've had a gun put to my face. I told the moron to pull the trigger and he then ran off. I've been beaten with bottles, bats, you name it.
I don't think Phred is a coward, nor do I believe I am. Some of us like to take a walk in the evening, hearing the laughter of kids playing. We don't want to hear the sounds of fart exhausts, booming basses, kids screaming profanities and the like. I don't want to worry about my wife being hit by a stray bullet.
I think it is totally fine to leave an area that has a sack of s#$@ for an alderman, who does zero to remedy the situation in an area that is plagued with thugs.
Life is too short.... fix the problem now, I know my wife and I did.
What was going on Farwell, Morse and Lunt yesterday at about 2-3 pm yesterday?
The blocks were locked down squads and cops everywhere. Cops on bikes and foot neighbors everywhere were concerned
One of the little thugs from Sullivan was causing problems and ran from a bike copper.
Northcoast-
I omitted the word criminal in the last two sentences of my last post. It is the crimimal that is coddled, it is the criminal that the government bends over backwards to protect. Sorry for the error. But back to the topic. I know that you read our blog. Go there,click on Crimfile and read the story about Ann Leybourne or as I knew her, Sgt. Annie Erwin. For those of you that won't here's the story. Ann was a young female police officer. In 1972 there was a serial rapist who was kidnaping women from the nearnorth side at gun point and raping and robbing them. Robert Ellis made the mistake one night of kidnaping Annie Leybourne with the intent to rape her. He had her on the floor of her car while he drove to Cabrini to rape her. She was able to pull her offduty gun out and shoot and kill Robert Ellis. Had Annie not had her gun that night I shudder to think what would have happened to her. I love story with happy endings and this one certainly has it. A beautiful young women kidnapped and about to be raped and who knows what else and a POS criminal dead at his intended victims hands. It doesn't get any better than that. But I wonder how many young women Robert Ellis raped and even killed that we don't even know about and how many of them would be here alive and well today had they been armed. Just food for thought.
Daddy, you don't have defend a person's right to carry to me. I support 2nd Amendment Rights, as I am a defender of all our constitutional rights.
I am thankful the woman you write about had her weapon with her, and that she was able to use it. However, it could have gone quite differently for her by a twist of luck, keep in mind.
Like, what if Annie's hands had been bound and she'd been restrained to the point where she could not draw her gun? What then?
In the case of the assaults that I experienced in St. Louis, I would in no case have been protected by a gun, for in both events my assailants had the advantage of surprise. In the first, I was driving a city transit bus (where you'd better not be carrying, a serious rule violation) and my assailant had a gun aimed at my head the second he was on the 2nd step.
In the vicious mugging I experienced a number of years later, in front of my apt. building, I was carrying an armload of goods and struggling under the weight of it all, when I was seized from behind. No "intuition" told me that a mugger was staking me out from behind the big oak tree in front of my building- I had no clue of my danger till I felt a hand being slipped over my mouth and clutching my jaw so tightly I couldn't even bite the palm of his hand. Tremendous strength that guy had, and when I threw my load down on the ground in an effort to get free, he pinned my arms. If I'd had a gun on me, he'd have picked it off me and used it on me, I'm convinced, because this loser was going for the kill. The only thing that saved me that night was the sudden appearance of the building engineer on the terrace of the building across the street.
Being alert would have helped me head off that attack, but not the holdup on my bus. But a weapon wouldn't have helped me in either case. Remember, "Annie", the lady you wrote about, was a policewoman well-versed in weapons usage. I wasn't and am not.
And if Annie had been thoroughly restrained, what would have become of her?
If you have weapons training and are willing to assume the responsibility involved, why, then it is good to carry a weapon. I wouldn't live in a remote area or be out on the interstate without one.
I favor the repeal of CC in Chicago. But we shouldn't expect it to solve all of our problems.
Nothing really replaces an orderly civil society, which we no longer are. A lone man in a house with an old 120-gauge may be able to head off a couple of dumb thugs, once or twice, but he's no proof against roving mobs and gangs. The only way to meet with the rampant criminality is to get it across to the scum that they will be caught, and prosecuted, and sent up for a long time in a very unpleasant place. Right now, they might have that happen, or they might walk free on a technicality, or be freed by a judge whose take on the laws is different than yours or mine.
To "Phred",
So I should just move to Wilmette or Glencoe?
How nice for you if you are able to afford to skip to an area with a median income of $73K, like Glencoe, or some other high-income enclave.
Is reasonable public safety now to be a class privilege? Is my failure to earn the kind of money it takes to live in an exclusive enclave an indication that I'm intrinsically unworthy of a civil environment?
This is what has become of the United States. You now have to be upper-middle-income or better to live in a reasonably safe area and still have a decent place to live. If you can't afford a gated enclave or a high-security apartment building, as well as a car to take you door-to-door, well, that must mean that you are one of the unworthy, and you're on your own.
When will we stop acquiescing to the incivility and violence that has overrun this country?
Phred - so if you live in this wondrous land of no crime - why are you here on this blog?
North Coast - seriously? in Naperville? I thought everyone knew everything about their neighbors there? That is crazy! I can guarantee you my neighbors would know something is going on.
Big Daddy - always love your info - I so agree. If people haven't seen it or really know what they are talking about, except a few lines they have read, their opinion doesn't matter a lot to me. You are out there every day - you REALLY know what is going on.
Chicago - Glencoe? You or your wife must have been raised there, right? People don't just pick up and move there. And it's mighty pricey - not everyone can do it.
I have lived in Rogers Park now for two years after living in Lincoln Park and Lakeview for 15+. I love my place and taking the dogs to the lake and have met some great people. But I also hate the "garbage" on the street and there are many, many more idiots on the street up here. People just don't care about their property and so many obnoxious and dangerous kids. The police are great and have been right here when we have had problems. I guess the difference is that I didn't actually "live" around the troublemakers, they came into the neighborhood and then left to go back into their holes at night. It's insane that we have to watch our backs against the creeps all the time. But if you want more government, you are going to continue to see more of the same, more kids having kids and then not raising them.
Phred - so if you live in this wondrous land of no crime - why are you here on this blog?
North Coast - seriously? in Naperville? I thought everyone knew everything about their neighbors there? That is crazy! I can guarantee you my neighbors would know something is going on.
Big Daddy - always love your info - I so agree. If people haven't seen it or really know what they are talking about, except a few lines they have read, their opinion doesn't matter a lot to me. You are out there every day - you REALLY know what is going on.
Chicago - Glencoe? You or your wife must have been raised there, right? People don't just pick up and move there. And it's mighty pricey - not everyone can do it.
I have lived in Rogers Park now for two years after living in Lincoln Park and Lakeview for 15+. I love my place and taking the dogs to the lake and have met some great people. But I also hate the "garbage" on the street and there are many, many more idiots on the street up here. People just don't care about their property and so many obnoxious and dangerous kids. The police are great and have been right here when we have had problems. I guess the difference is that I didn't actually "live" around the troublemakers, they came into the neighborhood and then left to go back into their holes at night. It's insane that we have to watch our backs against the creeps all the time. But if you want more government, you are going to continue to see more of the same, more kids having kids and then not raising them.
Like, what if Annie's hands had been bound and she'd been restrained to the point where she could not draw her gun? What then?
"What then" is she probably would have been raped and killed as Big Daddy described. Being bound would have been the same as not having (access to) a gun. Fortunatly for her, she wasn't bound. Fortunately for her, she had a gun. Unfortunately for Robert Ellis...
I used to be staunchly anti-gun, but at some point you come to the realization that there will never be zero guns on the street and that the "bag guys" will always outnumber the good citizens when it comes to having deadly force. A person can cite all of the peculiar scenarios they want, the bizarre incidents that make for good newspaper copy about mistaken identities, accidential shootings in the home. Those are unfortunate, yes. But until those incidents equal the number of unarmed innocent people who are killed by thugs, the odds are in favor of being allowed to carry a gun IF YOU SO DESIRE. I wish there were no guns and the streets were free and clear of them. But it ain't gonna happen and we all know it. So I at least want an even chance when I'm out there. Like I said, I'm not a gun fan by a long shot (no pun intended). But I'm willing to take the lessons, hit the range and carry one at this point if it means the difference between me walking to the corner store and being able to make it back home.
We need a CIVIL SOCIETY, something most Americans seem to have given up on. We don't even expect it anymore.
Just curious: How do you think we could resurrect this "civil society". Given the number and activity of the gangs on the street, robberies, etc., what do you think needs to be done to make the streets safe. Not what DOESN'T need to be done (we know your stands on concealed carry), but what NEEDS to be done. I'd really like to know. Thanks.
RazlDazl-nobody knows ANYBODY in suburbs like Naperville. It is a Corporate Transferee Ghetto. Residents tend to isolate themselve in their companies. My friend had lived on the same street for over 10 years and knew only his banker, who lived nearby. Every other house had turned over every 2 years. My aunt lived in a burb of another city just like it, and knew none of her neighbors after 35 years.
What do we do to restore a civil society? It's only a beginning but we need to start these processes:
1. Get rid of laws against "victimless" like possession of drugs and prostitution. And for God's sake let up on the prescription drug abuse. We can't save everyone. Why die trying?
2. Completely reform the sentencing laws to eliminate loopholes and establish much longer mandatory sentences for Index crimes. No way should someone convicted of 1st degree murder ever be out on the streets ever again, and if the DP is the only way to assure that, the DP it should be.
3. The Civil Society is the hardest part, but that would mean restoring the distinction between crime, and offenses that aren't worth making laws against. We're breaking down the distinction between acceptable and unacceptable behaviors by making laws against behaviors that used to be totally acceptable but are now not trendy or PC (smoking on the beach or in a restaurant, whacking your kid in the rear for atrocious behavior, calling someone a dirty name on the street). These types of laws are invasive and unenforceable, and make our society truly lawless, in that they invite disrespect for the law. They also waste our time and resources.
We need fair, reasonable laws that protect citizens from force and fraud, and respect their rights, and we need to enforce those laws strictly.
So North Coast, you're saying Prostution and Drug Abuse is ok?
I certainly don't think that because prostitues are out there, bothering people by asking them to have sex and ramdomly at that. I'm sure there is at least some guys who hate being approached like that. I know I wouldn't want some stupid woman out of the blue, approaching me, offering sex. I'm glad there's laws against prostitutes.
As for the drug abuse, there are people out there on these drugs who are bothering/harassing people to take drugs, and they're (at that least I know of) commiting crimes like Battery, Robbery, etc.
I am personally dealing (or dealt in this case, they may have lost their job) with someone who may very well be on drugs, and it's not good. I would love to say what's going on, but this is a public blog and lots of nosy people are on here. If you'd like to know what I'm talking about, you can email me and we'll chat there. This goes for anybody.
Drugs other than alcohol (one of the worst, really) were legal and available until around 1880-1900, which is when our authorities started regulating our morals with a vengeance. Opium addiction was very widespread, yet this did not result in waves of crime.
The minute we started prohibiting this stuff, our crime cartels were born, and grew very rich off the illicit traffic while our authorities grew very corrupt. And when liquor was prohibited, the corruption and organized crime blossomed like never before. You see, we made this stuff VERY LUCRATIVE for criminal cartels, as we still do for other illegal drugs.
The no-win war on drugs has inflicted more damage on this country than a nation of addicts ever could. It has made this stuff insanely lucrative, corrupted our officials, and enriched the gang leaders and drug cartel leaders beyond belief. And our authorities can't stop it and they know it. you arrest one drug ring and another steps in to take its place. Worse, government paranoia about drug addiction has perverted medical practice, making physicians terrified to prescribe the necessary dosage of a pain killer for fear of fostering an addiction. If you have ever been torn to shreds in a car wreck or suffer severe chronic pain from some other cause, you know what it means not to be able to get the dosage you need, and you develop tolerance to the substance over time. OF COURSE you will become addicted, but is that a cause to make you live in hell?
Prostitution? Yes, it's sickening and it degrades its practitioners. But it is much more degrading and difficult to escape from when it is illegal. Look at the example of the Netherlands for ways to handle it without it blighting residential neighborhoods. The zoning approach seems to work. It would work here too, since we unofficially "zone" it according to how tolerant the neighborhood population is. Formal zoning would work better.
We will never stop these personal bad behaviors, but we can limit the damage they do. We can legalize drugs and impose a sensible regulatory structure, layered as to strictness in keeping with the level of impairment a substance produces. Maurijuana, which is milder than liquor, could be sold in liquor stores, while you might have to check into a clinic for heavier stuff. It would be much cheaper to obtain and distributed through legal, regulated channels as liquor is.
All of this would not be a cure-all, of course. Humans are not perfectable, that's all there is to it. But the rest of us could at least get out of the way.
Once again people feel that if they carry a gun suddenly they are trained SWAT men or Charlies Angels. If you notice in St. Louis where Tillis was shot and a minister were shot, in a church in a city where guns are concealed, no one drew their guns and saved the day, no one.
At Fort Hood where is it all trained gun men and women it was a police officer, trained for combat in safe areas who saved the day, no one solder, not one.
It has been proven time and time again all you white guys who want guns, that none of you who shoot at a range really is ever prepared for SWAT actions, why would we need the police if a bunch of deer hunters can suddenly be SWAT men.
Killian-
There probably never be a better example than Fort Hood of why properly trained citizens should be allowed to ccw. What is the key thing that was missing at Fort Hood when this Muslim terrorist decided to wage his own jihad?
Have you given this any thought at all? The answer is weapons. NONE of the soldiers on base at the time of the attack had a weapon. They had to wait until a Police Officer arrived on the scene to end the bloodshed. Had one of those soldiers, just one, been armed, lives could have been saved. We have the mightiest military in the world yet they were left defenseless because of emptyheaded decisions made by those that set policy in our government. Have you ever asked yourself how it is possible that we trust these young men and women to carry a weapon overseas but when they return home they are no longer trustworthy? Fortythree victims shot in their own home because they could not possess the tools needed for survival. How sad, how shameful!
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