Blognotes: A response from Yahoo Group Progressive Rogers Park
49th Ward Aldermanic Candidate Chris Adams, is moderating an "economic forum" in Rogers Park, sponsored by an organization called Americans for Prosperity. You will find that the organization supports privatization of Social Security, Tabor legislation, School Vouchers, and CAFTA among other right-wing causes. The forum is co-sponsored by the Chicagoland Chamber of Commerce and the Illinois Retail Merchants Association.
This is a blatant political event. Which 20,000 49th Ward residents do you suppose they are targeting? Do you think North of Howard or Morse Avenue will be fliered or receive mail? The Chicagoland Chamber of Commerce recently endorsed Adams and would like to convince middle-class voters that to be pro-worker (aka Living Wage) that you are anti-business! Neighbors should attend this and PROTEST and advise your friends and neighbors not to vote for any candidate who seeks the support of these anti-labor groups!
Nan Paton
Blognotes #2: From David Fagus and Alderman Moore
THE REAL CHRIS ADAMS EMERGES
Forty-ninth Ward aldermanic candidate Chris Adams will moderate an "Economic Development Forum" sponsored by Americans for Prosperity, a right-wing advocacy organization. The forum was announced in a direct mail piece sent to all registered voters in the 49th Ward.
According to its website Americans for Prosperity advocates "limited government and free markets on the local, state and federal levels." The causes championed by the organization include privatization of Social Security, the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), school vouchers, and so-called Taxpayer Bill of Rights (TABOR) laws, which have resulted in serious under-funding of essential government services where enacted.
The home page of the Americans for Prosperity website provides a link to register for the "34th Annual Conservative Political Action Conference," which features speakers, such as Vice President Dick Cheney, U.S. Senate Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnel, conservative commentator Ann Coulter, and long-time right-wing activist Phyllis Shlafly.
Joanna Trotter of the Metropolitan Planning Council, was one of the scheduled participants in the forum, but pulled out after discovering the true identity of the sponsoring organization.
Adams originally sought to host the forum at St. Scholastica High School, but the school rejected the request. The event will be held at Loyola University instead.
"That Adams would choose to associate himself with such a right wing organization just shows how out of touch he is with our community's values," said Alex Armour, spokesperson for Alderman Joe Moore.
Adams' decision to moderate the forum comes on the heels of the Chicagoland Chamber of Commerce's enthusiastic endorsement of his aldermanic candidacy.
The Chamber last year vowed to restore "one-stop shopping" to City Hall by defeating aldermen who displayed political independence from the Mayor, especially on issues of concern to big business, such as the living wage.
Moore was the lead sponsor of the "Big Box Living Wage Ordinance," which passed the City Council, but was vetoed by Mayor Daley. The Chamber listed Moore as its number one target for defeat.
"We never want to go to war, but we're preparing for a war if that has to take place," Chamber President Jerry Roper told the Chicago Tribune. "Where we should help the mayor is to help him have an enlightened council."
Adams' wife, Tina, recently served on the Chamber of Commerce's board.
"The 49th Ward wants and deserves an alderman who will answer to the people of the ward, not to big business and the downtown interests," said Armour.
A community and political unknown when he declared his candidacy for alderman last summer, Adams has remained an enigma for most of the campaign, relying on vague promises to focus on education and business attraction.
"Now that the campaign is in its final stretch, Adams true colors are starting to show," said Armour. "And they are Republican red."
The 'Broken Heart' of Rogers Park Blognotes:
The fur is flying about Chris Adams and this event he's having next week. The fact is, Chris Adams is a good man.
It's the trash like Jim Ginderske and Alderman Moore and the people they have around them that are making these accusations - they are spreading false information about good people.
It's those two creating the "us against them" scenarios. That is the PROBLEM in this community.
If ANYONE is republican red, it's Jim Ginderske and Alderman Moore. This kind of stuff is straight out of the Karl Rove handbook.
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Economic FACT: living wage ordinances ARE anti-business AND anti-employee.
Is this wrong? "limited government and free markets on the local, state and federal levels."
Joe Moore supporters should be ashamed of sending out an email that criticizes limited government and free markets. Joe Moore's policies indicate he is for big government and a command economy which benefits NO ONE except the fat cats in charge, like Joe Moore and other members of the 49th Ward Democratic machine.
I don't want a paternalisitic government and I despise anyone who does!
Meanwhile, Joe Moore goons traverse the neighborhood demanding to know if residents are voting for Moore and taking names and addresses. Dan Sullivan endorses an opponent and is *immediately* punished. No voter intimidation here. Not by our nice liberal JoMo and Fagus. If JoMo is representative of the progressive vision then, please, I'm calling myself something else!
All this while at least 6+ bullets have flown in RP in less than two weeks during the hours of 7:30 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. -- when many people are out and about. JoMo and his minions send out bs political propoganda but don't deem it necessary to warn residents to duck for cover.
Joe loves geese but he obviously hates RP residents. We're not allowed to have business nor even discuss it. Further, Joe really hates misguided youth, particularly if they are minorities, and doesn't want any kind of improvement that might cause them to stop killing each other. Seems as though he'd love it if they continue to kill each other and wouldn't object if a few voters are taken out in the process.
A vote for Joe is a vote for a fascist state where only one view will be tolerated and no dissenting voices will be heard.
Joe is like a Father to me and He's no commie red republican - I can assure you of that. And to lump Joe with a man like Ginderke, who only cares about the disenfranchised, is just wrong. Joe only cares about Himself.
However, Mr. BH, if you are going to say that you are a true journalist and then NOT let people know that you are also writing satire, makes you plain deceptive.
I do want to thank you for making Adams and Skeletor the same choice for us. They both have the welfare of rich white homeowners as their interest. But anyone can tell by the red ties that they've been wearing, that they are Republican.
Republicans need a choice in the 49th ward too! Let them have the misleading Adams and Skeletor. Republicans who pretend to be Democrats are morally corrupt - Like Adams and Skeletor.
"Don Gordon and I have had a gentleman's agreement throughout this race that the person we are running against is Joe Moore."
- Chris Adams, 49th Ward Aldermanic Candidate, 2/17/2007
The problem with sooo many different blogs is sometimes my readers want to hear what others in Rogers Park are saying, but can't find all the blog addresses.
Or they don't have time to check 12 different blogs for comments the same subject.
Most of these other blogs comment moderate, so I'm posting this here for my readers to comment on freely.
Oh, by the way, Joanna Trotter, the one who pulled out, once worked at DevCorp. Politics anyone?
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From the emailbag comes an item from our erstwhile alderman's political party trumpeting Chris Adam's apparent link to "Republican red". Well, this more like JoMo taking advantage of an opportunity to score political points, or so he thinks.
To wit from the email:
Aldermanic Wannabe Cozies Up to Right-Wing Group Boy that's an eye catcher!! Scary ain't it?! Dyed in the wool blue voters will surely turn their collective backs on Adams! Right?
This is what Adams is really going to be doing:
Forty-ninth Ward aldermanic candidate Chris Adams will moderate an "Economic Development Forum" sponsored by Americans for Prosperity, a right-wing advocacy organization. The forum was announced in a direct mail piece sent to all registered voters in the 49th Ward.
The Evahl Organization he is helping (and don't get me started about the looneytoon budget theatrics on Capitol Hill, featuring both parties performing at their nadir):
According to its website, www.americansforprosperity.org, Americans for Prosperity advocates "limited government and free markets on the local, state and federal levels." The causes championed by the organization include privatization of Social Security, the Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA), school vouchers, and so-called Taxpayer Bill of Rights (TABOR) laws, which have resulted in serious under-funding of essential government services where enacted.
And just in case you missed the message about The Evahl Organization:
The home page of the Americans for Prosperity website provides a link to register for the "34th Annual Conservative Political Action Conference," which features speakers, such as Vice President Dick Cheney, U.S. Senate Republican Minority Leader Mitch McConnel, conservative commentator Ann Coulter, and long-time right-wing activist Phyllis Shlafly.
Joanna Trotter of the Metropolitan Planning Council, was one of the scheduled participants in the forum, but pulled out after discovering the true identity of the sponsoring organization.
Proof of the karmic wheel in action:
"That Adams would choose to associate himself with such a right wing organization just shows how out of touch he is with our community's values," said Alex Armour, spokesperson for Alderman Joe Moore.
And we all know that protecting Loretta Swit's feathered friends is a community value. But wait, there's more!
"The 49th Ward wants and deserves an alderman who will answer to the people of the ward, not to big business and the downtown interests," said Armour.
That final quote has (substitute "developers" for big business and downtown interests) crossed the lips of at least 2 and likely all 3 challengers.
Quibble if you must about Adam's choice of supporters. The Chamber has been honest about their intent to bounce JoMo out of his comfy council chair. However, Adams may get the last laugh. The actual flyer for the forum states:
But in recent years, the economy of the 49th ward has gone the direction of the community’s four fabled movie palaces - the Howard, Adelphi, Granada, and Norshore Theaters. Just as the theaters succumbed to the region’s economic hardships, so have other local businesses. Storefronts stand vacant, reminders of Rogers Park’s business potential. Tens of thousands of dollars leave the ward every month as residents look elsewhere for such things as household goods, clothing,
entertainment and dining.
That paragraph sums up the essence of this year's race. It is why JoMo has 3 challengers. I'd like to see JoMo booted out with one voting cycle, but I'll settle for a runoff, and I'll like it even more if he isn't in it. I don't think Adams has a prayer either way, but I must note that, once more, JoMo dodges the issues.
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Joanna Trotter, Commercial District Planner
DevCorp North
Jocelyn said....>"Thomas Westgard's recent posts about Don Gordon really made me mad. Rogers Park Bench has just plain gone base level with some of its content. These are Jim Ginderske's people and as far as I'm concerned, they make him look bad. Why not focus on the issues instead of tearing down the other candidate? Maybe that isn't working well enough, so they are letting the pit bulls out now. Say what you will, but I don't see any blogs for Adams or Gordon slinging mud balls around like this."
Been There - Done That said...>"Johanna Barnhardt Trotter - Isn't she the DevCorp shill who once said, "Howard Street is kind of animal"?
Thanks for the reminder. Here's the story.... “The top of Howard is kind of animal because it borders Evanston,” said Joanna Barnhart, commercial district strategic planner at DevCorp, the Rogers Park Chamber of Commerce. “It’s hard to get much done there.”
There IS a blog that throws around innuendo and falsehoods like trash on behalf of Gordon and Adams. It's THIS blog. In some delusional world you consider yourself a journalist. Gordon is endorsed by a Republican leaning publication other than this blog and this blog touts it as all but the second coming. Adams moderates Americans for Prosperity while wrapping himself in Paul Simon's bowtie and you call him a decent guy!!
This blog slings enough mud and innuendo for both candidates. If you were a truly discerning journalist you would see through the games and the B.S. All is fair in politics, love, and war Mr. HellHole. This will all bite you in the naughty bits soon. You bullied Jocelyn into collusion with your political views by threatening to not publish her watery eyed sappy comments. I know that she was already on the fence by believing some bull about Ginderske's campaign workers not liking minorities. She scampered back to the loving environs of Hell when you said she couldn't comment on this space anymore. You are doing your best to align Moore with Jim Ginderske. There is no meat on the sandwich Craig. The fact is that Gordon and Adams are all but the same person. There is an atmosphere of chicanery about both of them. Adams is a carpetbagger who doesn't hold the neighborhood in very high regard. He has made condescending remarks about the residents and how GAAF should be more like Printer's Row- which by the way is sponsored by the Tribune and has become one big Republican assed snooze fest. Gordon-well his appeal is inexplicable. It seems as if there are some shady back porch/back room conversations going on there. Be very careful if he has made you some promises. His record shows a lot of talk and no action. Fits and starts and no follow through. After February 27th, he will retreat back behind the hedge and do nothing like he has been for years now. That is what will happen no matter HOW the election goes. I'll bet that Adams sells his house and high tails it back to whatever suburb he called "very much like Rogers Park". The smart vote is for Ginderske. Throw Moore to the freaking geese and let Gordams move to the burbs! Good Riddance.
Hey, rogersparker, my name is spelled LOUZADER, not LOUZANDER. Let's just get that straight.
And I will stand behind everything I said in that comment. Also, please notice that I'm not afraid to let people know my real identity, unlike you. What a sniveling little coward you are- I notice you don't reveal YOUR true identity.
Sorry, but Section 8 housing is one of the worst disasters that ever hit our cities. It has wrecked every neighborhood that has it in every city it's in.
The people who get the worst of it are the working poor. These by and large respectable, quiet,and constructive people are squeezed out of affordable, nonsubsidized housing altogether as landlords go for the easy Section 8 money, which requires that you accept the kind of tenants unacceptable elsewhere.These people do NOT want to live in Section 8 buildings, they do NOT want a social worker delving into their personal and financial affairs, and they do NOT want to live next door to people who are unplaceable anywhere else because of criminal records, so they double up, or take very small units in crud buildings, or otherwise do what they have to do to house themselves without government assistance.
I was, for a couple of dismal years, a member of the demographic known as the 'working poor', and Section 8 was of no help to me, or other people struggling with crap wages or commission income. It is only a way to convey vast amounts of money to slum landlords, and pay them to take the tenants no one else will accept on any terms, while driving rents northward.
Go ahead, throw your kneejerk 1960s leftist labels at me. I'm prepared for that. However, I am also sure that the homeowners of Rogers Park will be much relieved when we have much less subsidized housing. This is not a slam against "the poor", most of whom derive no benefit at all from all the socialistic housing programs that have only enriched slumlords and the ripoff contractors who built the housing projects in the 50s and 60s.
There are many other ways to help lower income people into decent housing, and chief among them would seem to be lowering the cost of housing in general. That means removing the bureacracy entailed with socialized housing programs, which only create employment for bureaucrats and social workers, and only enable slum owners to charge middle class rents for deeply substandard housing.
You should know this, and if you had lived in several cities, and studied the effects of socialized housing in every city in this country, you would know this.
Let me tell you that I'm not here to pander to brainless, kneejerk 1960s leftists who still haven't grokked that the so called 'great society' programs don't work and won't work, and that socialized housing only drives up the housing cost for everyone.
If you really and truly want to assist "the poor",you will stop condescending to them and you will assist in removing the numerous bureacratic obstacles to their efforts to house themselves and make a living. We could, for example, develop more low-income co-ops,which are a very good solution. There are a number of these in this area and the rest of the city, and they have worked out very well. We could also permit homesteading on the vast tracts of land in the south side that are completely uninhabited. We could also build small cottages to be sold to people with limited incomes. I'm talking small two-bed cottages with 60 Amp wiring, one bath, a kitchen with no dishwasher, a good furnace but no airconditioning. Just basic, decent housing that the resident could buy and control for a very low price.
Stop throwing around insults and labels, why don't you, and instead think of solutions for something you can see with your own eyes does not work, has never worked, and will never worked.
And don't play the "race card" with me. The inhabitants of our slum buildings who shoot each other, gang bang, sell dope, practice prostitution, and have 10 kids by the time they are 23 years old are NOT representative of black people. It's an insult to African Americans for you to imply that these people are repressentative of the black demographic. YOU are the racist, not me.
And let us know who you really are, you gutless little wuss.
Laura,
It was Jim Ginderske's attack-blogger Tom Mannis who spelled your name wrong, not Roger Park.
And your last sentence could be directed at Runestone too. It fits the Ginderske mold - A bunch of cowards hiding behind anonymous screen names.
Glad to see you're all chasing each other's tails. Rather inefficient and toto-ly strange.
JoMo's just licking his chops.
Like some kind of crazy dreamers, the bunch of you are looking for the "perfect" candidate. The one to speak to all your desires and say all the things you want to hear.
Unfortunately, when you get a candidate like that, chances are you are being fed a load of bull-s--t. And if that person somehow gets themselves elected, you will turn on them as soon as they make a decision that you don't like. There is no such thing as a perfect candidate and there will never be a perfect elected official.
How sad for all of you.
Also, Craigy pooh, don't you think you are playing into Joe Moore's hands by passing on his anti-Adams propeganda? So nice of you to help Moore out.
Nice to see you all being a pain in the rear for each other. Just look at that last brown and blue mailer, it tells you all you need to know about Adams. I mean even us straight people know you don't mix brown and blue.
Roxy
Craig, you might notice it was rogersparker who quoted tomblogger's post. Why, I don't know.
What floors me is how the white middle class leftists in this neighborhood assume I am talking about black people when I speak of 'druggies, whores, and gangbangers'.
Why do they assume that? Most black people are solid citizens who are markedly more 'conservative' in their social values than we white people, and they really take umbrage at being labeled as undesirables. More, they really, really are highly insulted by condescending 60s leftist types who label them as social problems, which they surely are not.
Jeez, is it Republican Red or Socialist or Commie Red we're having spewed at us? I thoroughly enjoy the Captain Paranoia's of RP Blogland that 'archive' my comment section, 'archive' my posts! Are they paranoid er afraid that I'll delete it? I don't have to agree with every post on any blog including mine. I frequently 'argue' back or frequently pick up the phone and argue back. At this rate, everyone associated with Don or Chris will have personal attacks splattered across the internet and to what purpose? To appease Joe Moore! Gotta keep da man happy just in case he wins. Watch how they run...scattershot nitpicking on people who won't play with them. And to think JG claimed he was trying to avoid the acrimony!
You guys go ahead and keep up your divisive tactics. Good luck with that.
I'll stick to my "watery eyed and sappy" comments-thanks.
Oh, and thanks for not giving me the credit to make up my own mind on who I vote for. I suppose it wouldn't occur to you that attended a few debates and changed my own mind? No, I guess not. It's easier for you to think you lost a vote because of Craig.
And just because I'm not as asshole, doesn't make me a sap either. The male egos around here are quite astounding at times.
Didn't the Tribune endorse Forrest Claypool in the Democratic primary? Need I say any more?
Sweat it Craigie. I make no secret of my support for Ginderske. You're going to attempt to crap all over that anyway. I will let the cat out of the bag after all of this election ruckus is over. The simple fact is that I know quite a bit about you and your good buddies in the Gordon camp. I have family considerations and will not put that at the mercy of you and your vindictive buddies. Sorry that I hit so close to home. You will find out who I am all in good time my pretty...all in good time. Guess what movie that's from while you're trying to guess who I am!
Jocelyn, you're not dealing with a male ego here sweetie. It is astounding that you attended the debates and bought all of that roll up the sleeves advertising tactic from Gordon. I actually gave you a lot of credit over the years for being quite a smart, independent, and decisive woman. All of that supplication to Craig when he threatened to not publish you was just plain old weak. He bullied you and you caved. It certainly doesn't make YOU an asshole.
Well this is pretty wild.
For toto: dear Toto - I don't see any perfect candidates in this race. In fact whoever wins (and I don't believe it will be JoMo) is likely to stumble and encounter roadblocks and failures. All of which will be grist for the next election cycle. We get to have all this fun again in 4 years. Count on it.
Having met Jocelyn I have to say she doesn't strike me as "sappy and watery-eyed." However condescension is the tool used by those who have run out of legitimate criticisms of ideas.
I have yet to meet Laura, but I have lived in Section 8 housing myself. In the nearly 30 years since that time I have watched as various locales do indeed find themselves taking whoever walks in the door with a voucher. The voucher equates to real money, sometimes the only money the landlord will see. If they are required by law, rule, or regulation to simply take in potential tenants because they hold a voucher, or because they don't know how to work within the system, we all suffer.
I think all the noise here is mostly noise, caused by JoMo taking advantage of the Chamber's endorsement of Adams and his participation in the upcoming forum. That should be expected since this is Chicago where your supporters become you, and vice versa. JoMo and the developers anyone? Anyone?
What really matters is that the voters see through this latest charade and ask themselves the question made famous by Ann Landers and Dear Abby as they contemplate their vote:
JoMo: Am I better off with him or without him?
Well at least I don't hide behind an anonymous login.
And for the record, Craig never threatened to censor me.
Tracy - You and I discussed issues on the purple line not too long ago. You and I did not get into an argument over our difference of candidate choices. You had your opinion, I had mine, and as I recall, we both wanted a new alderman.
Perhaps you could ask the name callers in the Ginderske Camp to keep to the subject at hand which is getting rid of Moore. I think that's what you will read between all the lines of frustration.
If you feel that name calling, posting nasty comments about readers as well as candidates gives the appearance of a mature campaign then so be it.
What will you do when there is a run-off between Moore and one candidate you aren't supporting now? Support Moore or support change?
That's the real bottom line isn't it?
Toni-
You wrote:
"If you feel that name calling, posting nasty comments about readers as well as candidates gives the appearance of a mature campaign then so be it."
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I don't.
You accuse one but will you accept that Gordon and Adams have been just as guilty? Our Incumbent is another tale.
I can't and I'm not speaking for anyone but i can speak to things i've read, things i've seen, and experiences i've had in my 5yrs as an RP resident and a LIFELONG northsider.
I've been to the debates, i've read the websites, and i've met the candidates (except Adams.)
I've made my choice as you've made yours and i'd hope we can respect that.
This is Craigs blog and he's free to post whatever he wants but information presented as journalistic truth should be just that and yes, civility on many fronts has been missing in the last 6months or so. I'll own up to being incensed at more than one post.
It's disingenous (did i even spell that right?) to claim one person is conducting a dirty campaign.
It's simply not true.
There's 10days left. It would be nice if all blogs just started posting about fuzzy kittens and bunny rabbits until the 28th.
> You accuse one but will you accept that Gordon and Adams have been just as guilty? Our Incumbent is another tale.
Come now, Don and Chris aren't on the blogs slamming, slandering, name-calling. Jim isn't on the blogs, but some of his campaigners are and some are writing some pretty evil posts. One is busy calling everyone a Republican Red while stabbing at certain Democrats! Now how twisted is that? How mature is that? How convincing is that to anyone other than the writer and a choice clique?
Not every democrat is a bleeding heart liberal - whatever the hell that means anymore. If you don't believe Moore runs dirty campaigns, let's have coffee.
Craig is the one who called jim and joe "trash" and "republican red" in this very post or did i read that incorrectly.
Hmm, what was that you said about other people resorting to "name calling, posting nasty comments about readers as well as candidates campaigns...."
goodnight, stay safe.
Whooooo Whoooo Whoooo. Just what Joe Moore wants. The candidates groupies fighting with each other. Don't you get it? Once an Adams or a Gorden or a Ginderke supporter drops away, it's like having more votes in Joe's column.
Look at the math.
Four people each support a candidate. One gets disappointed by the candidate he had been supporting and no longer does.
Isn't it more likely than not that the former supporter will not support a new candidate. Rather he or she will not vote at all. In the end it makes the incumbent stronger.
You are eating away at each other and in the end you are making Joe Moore the winner.
But Craig, you know that don't you.
Sorry Tracy Alex, Joe and Dave are the RED culprits who began the smear -
"Now that the campaign is in its final stretch, Adams true colors are starting to show," said Armour. "And they are Republican red."
I still contend their colors are green and brown. Green on the take dollars and brown for the crap they spread. Anyone snuggling and smiling along with this trio will automatically be guilty by association.
Joe Moore displays his usual mendacity in posturing as an advocate of "the poor and disenfranchised", while courting rich "limousine liberal" celebrities (Loretta Swit, Paul McCartney, et al)and pushing Socialism For The Very Rich, in the form of TIF developments that funnel hundreds of millions of tax dollars from the home and apt owners of Chicago (and their tenants) to well heeled developers and well-endowed, private, NON TAXPAYING institutions such as Loyola.
Perhaps we would have substantially fewer people needy of socialized housing if the tax burden were not so onorous. Poorer homeowners, especially the elderly, are being blasted out of their homes by skyrocketing taxes, and renters have seen rents increase over 40% in the past 6 years because of monster tax increases on apt. buildings.
I fail to see how a TIF financed el station on block 37 either benefits the poor, or anyone else not on the gravy train of the developer of the site, and I also can't see how it enhances our rail service. I also fail to see how handing Loyola $40 million to renovate buildings unavailable to the public whose taxes will be lost to this gift-taxes that should have been directed to our failing school system and other starving civic services and amenities.
We might have more healthy businesses employing more people, with fewer lost to the suburbs, were less money misallocated to these gimmes for rich corporations and institutions with political connections.
Joe Moore has, for sixteen years, voted to approve every one of Mayor Daley's boondoggles except for the last. He never bothered his head about CTA's deteriorating service and lack of adequate funding until 6 weeks before the upcoming election, and even the election has not spurred him to take even token interest in the condition of our schools, even to attack their sorry administration.
What are you talking about in your blognotes?
Joe Moore and "Jimderske" are Republican Red and Chris Adams isn't?
I don't doubt that he isn't a good guy. Many people are "good guys", but that doesn't change the fact that on the issues Joe Moore and Ginderske are true blue Democrats on the issues Chris Adams is a stone cold conservative - privatizing social security! "free-market" policies. It's clear.
And Pamela - how many times do I have to repeat this!!!! "Demanding" to know who people are voting for is part of the political process. And I highly doubt they demand - they probably just ask. It's called IDing your voters.... lesson one. Do you want my DEMOCRATIC GAIN manuals? It'll give you a little beginners crash course in CAMPAIGNING.
If you don't knock on doors - talk to the voters - youre going to lose! Identify your "ones" or "pluses" or "yes's" - what have you - that's the way you win a campaign.
And "common sense" - youre a conservative. Your free market, "limited government" stances make you so... so no, Joe's supporters shouldn't be ashamed of critizing your conservative policies. They're proud of being anti-conservative / progressive. In the same way you're proud of being for "free-market" policies and "limited government" Don't agree with you - but I'm not going to tell you to be ashamed.
And in terms of the content of Joe's e-mail. I think he's right - right wing values dont match with RP's progressive values. I think Adams is out of touch with the core voters in the 49th.
yo Collegebound, I like what it is you're saying.
Keep it up.
Roxy
Maybe I'm a little late to this party, but I wanted to weigh in here anyway. It's sad that Craig can one day produce a great piece of crime blogging, and then follow it up with this kind of garbage attack.
First, you don't address the substance of the claim at all. Is Adams moderating the forum or not? Also, I know you must have looked through the capmaign finance reports-- even a cursory examination let me find a few substantial donors to Adams campaign who in the past have exclusively donated to Republicans. Not that there's anything wrong with that-- if that's what you're looking for in a candidate, then so be it. But I would have thought that you, of all people, would at least be interested in keeping this election as transparent as possible.
Instead of addressing the substance of the claim, which is irrefutable as far as I can tell, you proceed to call Ginderske and Moore "trash", and, for reasons you don't feel the need to explain, declare that THEY are the REAL Republicans. Is there any evidence for this at all Craig? Or is this just more school yard taunting-- in the face of clear evidence of Adams' conservative ties, are you boldly declaring that Adams is rubber and Ginderske is glue?
The irony is apparently lost on you that you've accused two candidates of spreading false information about a candidate, while you provide no support that the claims are false, and almost immediately make verifiably false accusations of your own.
Again, I really do appreciate the work you've put into crime blogging and non election related community posts, and I know I'm not the only one. That's why this kind of nonsense post, motivated by an apparent personal animus against Ginderske, is so jarring. I hope that others who read this blog are able to distinguish between your sharp and informative non election blogging and your increasingly irrational election posts.
Full disclosure: I have volunteered for, and will continue to volunteer for Ginderske's campaign. The opinions above are my own, and don't reflect Jim's or anyone else's views.
Craig,
I'm sure you saw this in your research on the candidates:
Gideon Searle gave $2500 to the Adams campaign as a personal contribution. Mr Searle works for the Serafin Group, and is on the board of trustees for AEI.
http://www.aei.org/about/contentID.20038142214500073/default.asp
AEI, as you may know, was recently in the news for offering to pay individual climatologists $10,000 if they disputed the recent report on global warming. They have an annual award named after Irving Kristol. In other words, it's a conservative group.
Still think that Adams' ties to the AEI are false accusations?
Also, I made a claim in a previous comment that Adams had accepted big donations from people who had previously given only to Republicans. I forgot to give support for this statement-- in any case, here it is:
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=&zip=60093&last=Searle&first=Gideon
Before supporting Mr Adams, Mr. Searle has supported two federal candidates, both of them Republicans running for Congress.
Again, just to re-emphasize-- I don't think there's anything scandalous about this. Adams, in my mind, is the logical choice for 49th ward conservatives. No big deal. What is scandalous is to claim that anyone who brings this up is lying "trash".
I agree! Adams and Gordon are great choices for right-wing Rogers Park residents.
Toni said, "Come now, Don and Chris aren't on the blogs slamming, slandering, name-calling."
No Toni, you're right. That's what Don and Chris have you and Craig and Hugh and TheNorthCoast for. They have the appearance of being so high and mighty and above it all but you guys are their dirty little mouthpieces. Yeah. Above it all my ass. They're in the thick of it and so are you. Don't be so fucking Self-righteous. You are just as bad as any of Ginderske's guys.
collegeboundonlunt said:
And in terms of the content of Joe's e-mail. I think he's right - right wing values dont match with RP's progressive values. I think Adams is out of touch with the core voters in the 49th.
I don't support Adams, but reading the flyer for the event he is emceeing suggests that there is common ground between the progressives and the right-wingers as far as what ails RP. It's the solutions that differ, and that is what matters for this election.
I think that all 3 of the challengers are in touch with the core values of the community although they differ on the issues they spotlight and the solutions they propose. The question before the voters is which candidate best expresses their concerns and describes solutions they can support.
JoMo may know how to work the system, and clearly has done so when it suits him. However, being able to work the system and being in touch with community values are 2 different things. I don't think Joe has much room to talk when criticizing his opponents' commitment to the community.
big daddy - what fowl language you spew. I hope you didn't get a mouthful of that e-coli brown stuff that was floating around yesterday.
Whatever it takes to pay the rent right?
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