This article was short and unsatisfying. It would have been better if more of the conversation between the reporter and the five bloggers had been printed. Just as things started getting interesting -- Toni's reflection that the community is divided between the "haves" and the "have-nots" -- the darned story ends! Jeez, we were just starting to get to the good stuff!
I'm not sure I like the article. There's something about it that cheapens us and Rogers Park in my opinion. The use of the word "nabe", phrase "oh my!"...I'm not sure I care for that. Something mocking about it to me.
Hmm, I've said that Jocelyn gets under Vanessa's skin before. Does she(V) still write on your(J)blog?
From a previous post earlier this month: Sandra said... Vanessa, what's your beef with Jocelyn? Obviously, she gets under your skin - you post on her blog...
We had a nice discussion about her trip to Vegas, the foie gras made her squeamish...I just can't help myself, she's self righteous. And she wants the whole neighborhood to quiet down and conform to her sense of decency. But I'll gve her some credit, she thinks she means well...and I don't see her harboring a grudge.
If I'm self-righteous(and I don't think I am you just read me that way) maybe it's because I'm right. It's pretty sad they way you think that me stating litter, graffiti and crime are bad is being so "high and mighty".
You set the bar pretty low. It's called self-esteem Vanessa- get some!
I give thanks for Jocelyn. It is all about standards and values. Like her, I say keep them high. Talk about how to do that. Encourage and teach it. Everyday, we see the sad results of accepting less than that in the lives of our youth, our families, and our community.
Hey Toto, you've been gurgling slime, heaving up chunky bits, and spewing vomitus on all the rest of us for a while. Please, go ahead and puke on yourself! Your attitude really stinks.
Vanessa, I have been following the comments over the months and am a good judge of character. I was with you one hundred precent. But now I am very disappointed with you. Did you miss out on the basic social manners a parent teaches their children? Even animals do not "poo" where they live. Your idealization of beauty-- litter and graffiti puts you beneath the lowest animals in existenece including flies swarming over a pile of shit. Good luck.
Generally I like what Jocelyn has had to say, but in this particular exchange, I wouldn't exactly say that calling someone an "asshole" is a great way to keep standards and values high. But maybe that's Michael's idea of high sandards.
The article was a piece of pure fluff that does not give a fair picture of the neighborhood or its blogs.
As to the exchange above, let's take a few deep breaths. We all deal with enough stress at our jobs, on the El, with problem buildings, etc. Working for positive change can start with how we talk to each other.
We won't all agree on everything. That's just human nature. Sometimes the best we can do is agree to disagree.
Fargo: You are right. Agreeing to disagree is an appropriate response. I rarely join in the nastiness - often initiated by anonymous contributors - on blogs. I'm sorry I did in this instance.
Diversity is an issue that has many companies using sensitivity seminars. Most companies want to achieve a non diverse environment. They do not want to change their cultural, national or economic makeup. Rather they understand that diversity means different and strive to make people understand that regardless of race, creed, nationality, religion, politics or morality, we all share a few things.
We all bleed the same color, we all have objectives or desires, we all want to achieve something better for ourselves and we are all humans.
I always find it interesting that Rogers Park celebrates diversity, yet does nothing to dispell diversity. In other words, we celebrate the fact that we are different, rather than focusing on becoming friends and or a community.
My personal life view is similar to Jocelyn's. Yet I grew up in the south, where there are plenty of white folks whose yards are full of trash and rusting cars. Now admittedly the trash is on their property, rather than on the curb. Yet I wonder, is there really that much difference?
But I am running on a tangent here. What I really wanted to say is that name calling, of any kind, achieves nothing. If anything, it reinforces barriers. It is tough because there are those that will bait us into an name calling fest the best they can. It empowers them. Don't fall into the trap.
Humans are like dogs. A behavior will extinguish if it does not produce the desired result. Ignore the incendiary poster and they will eventually quit posting. Continue to respond and you will feed their desire to tick you off.
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This article was short and unsatisfying. It would have been better if more of the conversation between the reporter and the five bloggers had been printed. Just as things started getting interesting -- Toni's reflection that the community is divided between the "haves" and the "have-nots" -- the darned story ends! Jeez, we were just starting to get to the good stuff!
You bet we were. I too am very miffed why Sally shortchanged her readers. She spent about an hour recording.
None of my bits about Connie Abels, Jay Johnson, Rich Aronson or the Special Service Area taxes made the article.
Plus, Sally forgot to include my URL address. Maybe the Morse Hell Hole title is too risky to print in the Real Estate section?
Let's hope her readers know how to google the 'Broken Heart' of Rogers Park.
I'm not sure I like the article. There's something about it that cheapens us and Rogers Park in my opinion. The use of the word "nabe", phrase "oh my!"...I'm not sure I care for that. Something mocking about it to me.
Outside.in stats show the 'Broken Heart' is the fifth most popular blog in all of Chicagoland.
Currently, here's the top five.
1) Chicagoist
2) Yo Chicago today
3) Gapers Block
4) AlderTrack
5) 'Broken Heart' of Rogers Park
You're just touchy aren't you Jocelyn, unsettled, there's lots of little things you don't like, little nagging things that get under your skin...
Funny, that description sounds just like you Vanessa. Why don't you go find some corner to loiter on and throw down some litter.
You're an asshole Vanessa.
Hmm, I've said that Jocelyn gets under Vanessa's skin before. Does she(V) still write on your(J)blog?
From a previous post earlier this month:
Sandra said...
Vanessa, what's your beef with Jocelyn? Obviously, she gets under your skin - you post on her blog...
We had a nice discussion about her trip to Vegas, the foie gras made her squeamish...I just can't help myself, she's self righteous. And she wants the whole neighborhood to quiet down and conform to her sense of decency. But I'll gve her some credit, she thinks she means well...and I don't see her harboring a grudge.
If I'm self-righteous(and I don't think I am you just read me that way) maybe it's because I'm right. It's pretty sad they way you think that me stating litter, graffiti and crime are bad is being so "high and mighty".
You set the bar pretty low. It's called self-esteem Vanessa- get some!
Or just common decency.
She wrote, "East Rogers Park is the belligerent holdout, hosting more than its share of drugs, crime and unpleasantness." Joe should be embarrassed.
I give thanks for Jocelyn. It is all about standards and values. Like her, I say keep them high. Talk about how to do that. Encourage and teach it. Everyday, we see the sad results of accepting less than that in the lives of our youth, our families, and our community.
I think I'm gonna puke
Hey Toto, you've been gurgling slime, heaving up chunky bits, and spewing vomitus on all the rest of us for a while. Please, go ahead and puke on yourself! Your attitude really stinks.
Vanessa, I have been following the comments over the months and am a good judge of character. I was with you one hundred precent. But now I am very disappointed with you. Did you miss out on the basic social manners a parent teaches their children? Even animals do not "poo" where they live. Your idealization of beauty-- litter and graffiti puts you beneath the lowest animals in existenece including flies swarming over a pile of shit. Good luck.
Generally I like what Jocelyn has had to say, but in this particular exchange, I wouldn't exactly say that calling someone an "asshole" is a great way to keep standards and values high. But maybe that's Michael's idea of high sandards.
A) I am with Jocelyn on the issue of litter and keeping the neighborhood reasonably clean and tidy. It's not too much to expect.
B) My perspective on Sally's column. I could write as well, or better, than that.
The article was a piece of pure fluff that does not give a fair picture of the neighborhood or its blogs.
As to the exchange above, let's take a few deep breaths. We all deal with enough stress at our jobs, on the El, with problem buildings, etc. Working for positive change can start with how we talk to each other.
We won't all agree on everything. That's just human nature. Sometimes the best we can do is agree to disagree.
Fargo: You are right. Agreeing to disagree is an appropriate response. I rarely join in the nastiness - often initiated by anonymous contributors - on blogs. I'm sorry I did in this instance.
Can't we all just get along?
Craig,
Where did you find the outside.in top five list? I couldn't find it and am looking for similar lists in other cities. Help! Thanks...
Tom, I have a feeling that Craig is confusing "five most popular" blogs with Outside.in's list of "nearby blogger."
Look at the left side of this page:
http://outside.in/Chicago
It lists those five blogs.
Diversity is an issue that has many companies using sensitivity seminars. Most companies want to achieve a non diverse environment. They do not want to change their cultural, national or economic makeup. Rather they understand that diversity means different and strive to make people understand that regardless of race, creed, nationality, religion, politics or morality, we all share a few things.
We all bleed the same color, we all have objectives or desires, we all want to achieve something better for ourselves and we are all humans.
I always find it interesting that Rogers Park celebrates diversity, yet does nothing to dispell diversity. In other words, we celebrate the fact that we are different, rather than focusing on becoming friends and or a community.
My personal life view is similar to Jocelyn's. Yet I grew up in the south, where there are plenty of white folks whose yards are full of trash and rusting cars. Now admittedly the trash is on their property, rather than on the curb. Yet I wonder, is there really that much difference?
But I am running on a tangent here. What I really wanted to say is that name calling, of any kind, achieves nothing. If anything, it reinforces barriers. It is tough because there are those that will bait us into an name calling fest the best they can. It empowers them. Don't fall into the trap.
Humans are like dogs. A behavior will extinguish if it does not produce the desired result. Ignore the incendiary poster and they will eventually quit posting. Continue to respond and you will feed their desire to tick you off.
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