Dear Neighbor,
I am writing to inform you of an upcoming community meeting to review a request by Mr. Hashim Sayed, the franchise owner of the 7-Eleven Food Store at 1414 W. Pratt (at Glenwood), for a license to sell packaged liquor. The meeting will be held on Tuesday, October 23rd, 7:00 p.m. at the Lake Shore School, 6759 N. Greenview (at Pratt).
Obtaining a packaged liquor license is part of an over-all plan to remodel and upgrade the store. Mr. Sayed will be joined by representatives of the 7-Eleven Corporation, who will outline plans for the store improvements.
A moratorium on the sale of packaged liquor is currently in place at that address.
The Chicago City Council must pass an ordinance lifting the moratorium before Mr. Sayed can apply for the license. Mr. Sayed's 7-Eleven store would be the only business affected by the lifting of the moratorium.
If I were to introduce an ordinance lifting the moratorium, I would introduce another ordinance reinstating the moratorium after Mr. Sayed obtained his license, so that the license could not be transferred to another owner.
I am interested in hearing your views on Mr. Sayed's proposal, and I encourage you to attend the meeting. I will not support the proposal without substantial community support.
Please do not hesitate to contact my office if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
Joe Moore
BLOGNOTES: A couple of commenters wanted me to give this topic it's own thread for discussion. I'll add my two cents first.
a.) With this possible new liquor location being so close to the school kids, and the fact the store clerks there aren't very attentive in the first place, this 7-11 will be a easy location for the kids to steal liquor from.
b.) A new location for the bums to buy there 40 oz's and half pints. New alley's they can pee and shit in. Enough said.
I say let them have their liquor license. With that, this should move some of the riff-raff off Morse Avenue. Let Pratt go to hell in a handbasket.
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Does this mean they will lift the ban on using 20.00$ bills after 11pm? I tried buying about 16$ worth of stuff one night and he would not take a 20. Or will that apply to liquor also?
They tried for a liquor license about 10 years ago also.
Will the license come with a bluelight on the corner and a much needed stop sign on pratt??
i think the etoh license is okay for that location,
what the hey?
a stop sign is a good idea too
Liqour stores done make bad neigborhoods,
bad neigbors do.
i know it sounds horrible to y'all, but every other 7-11 sells liquor. i've been to the 7=11 in question several times (like almost every day when i was still living on glenwood) and the clerks seem to have a good handle on everything that goes on there. of course, i haven't been there when the high school lets out, because i'm usually working then.
and i agree with jeffo, a stopsign at that intersection would just be great as well. i lived on the other side of pratt; trying to cross the street there is difficult at best.
I don't understand the ban on taking $20.00 after 11pm.
Why would they do something like that?
Enlighten me please. :)
Apologies to those with differing opinions, but I don't think another package liquor store is a good thing for our neighborhood at this time.
Okay, I don't drink at all, but I recognize the neigborhood needs some GOOD liquor stores. The ones on Morse (when I've gone in in a pinch to get wine) stink.
The new one on Clark near Albion is great.
If they do not sell the JUNK liquor like the big cans and stuff that is pretty much for derelicts, then I think it MIGHT be okay.
Glad they are going to remodel as the store needs it big time. I hope that is not conditional on their ability to sell liquor.
I'll be going to this meeting.
I would love it if they would sell liquor there. I'd much rather stop on Pratt than Morse on my way home from Loyola. It always surprised me that they didn't. They also don't sell lotto. I suppose they'll get that too. I often stop there because I have accounts at T.C.F. and Citibank. 7-11's merge with Citibank last year means that I don't pay ATM fees at their cash stations with either my Citibank card or the T.C.F. card. I guess Citibank and T.C.F. must be the same company. I also think the clerks seem quite attentive. It would be a good stop on Fridays for a withdrawal from the automatically deposited paycheck, a six pack of beer, and a little lotto quick pick (a Friday tradition of mine).
Dear Rogers Park People,
Please no liquor sales at the Pratt 7-11.
Has anyone noticed how much Granville slowed down when the dueling liquor stores got closed down? Its like a dream over there now, the hookers, hypes and hotheads have all moved on (probably to morse).
Dear Rogers Park People,
Please no liquor sales at the Pratt 7-11.
Has anyone noticed how much Granville slowed down when the dueling liquor stores got closed down? Its like a dream over there now, the hookers, hypes and hotheads have all moved on (probably to morse).
"New alley's they can pee and shit in?"
rp ain't idalone in that outhouse
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL3mFPhyk94
NO WAY- ENOUGH BEER CANS ALREADY ON PRATT PLUS BOSWORTH AND PRATT SEEM TO BE GETING TO BE A LITTLE MORSE AVE-
BY WAY -CRAIG YOU LOOK GREAT ON CHANNEL SEVEN THIS EVENING- HOW DID YHOU PUSH JOMO OFF OF HIS FAVORITE CHANNEL?????????????
I'll drink to that. hic
I'm with "blue".
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NO LIQUOR SALES AT THE SEVEN-ELEVEN ON PRATT!
We already have Sam's at Sheridan & Pratt. That's fine, and that's enough. Sam keeps his store under control and closes up at midnight.
The 7-11 on Pratt stays open all night.
What's worse, if that store does it, then the White Hen at Pratt and Sheridan, also now affiliated with 7-11 since 7-11 bought the White Hen name (it's a franchise) will also want it.
That means that if we let this happen we will have THREE package liquor stores on Pratt between Glenwood and the lake, and that just is not good.
I've very much enjoyed living close to Pratt & Sheridan since 2001. It's been great, since the neighborhood was totally changed and 1000% improved since 1997, when this end of Rogers Park was worse than the north end. I've experienced very little trouble or threat here.
I'd just like the rest of Rogers Park to be at least as good as this little area is (even though it could still stand improvement).
As it is, I see too many lowlife types hanging around the 7-11 up at Glenwood, and that spot is too close to other trouble spots. Let's not totally destabilize it.
I live blocks away but am not in favor of any packaged liquor licenses for big 'ol cans of beer and pints of whiskey. We know who those customers are -- the ones using the public way as their outhouse, etc. This neighborhood has worked hard to get rid of that stuff. Now someone is asking to bring it back? Sigh. If anyone thinks that 7-11 is going to be selling the high quality stuff only, HA!
There was an article in the Phoenix (Loyola's Newspaper) about how they limited liquor sales to certain packaging (aka no 40's!) at the new 7-11 at Devon and Sheridan.
I support this along with a stop light and a blue light at the Pratt 7-11.
http://media.www.loyolaphoenix.com/media/storage/paper673/news/2007/10/03/News/Loyola.Community.Close.Two.Granville.Liquor.Stores-3008404.shtml
Just take a look at Morse Ave. Where are the trouble spots? Well two of the problem areas are directly in front of the Morse Ave. liquor stores!
Until Morse Ave. is cleaned up how could another liquor store help the area?
Those liquor stores on Morse cannot or will not clean up their act. What makes 7-11 different?
Any promises of being better by 7-11 is not worth the gamble.
Fix Morse Ave. first.
Also that location is "hidden" which makes it the perfect location for start-up trouble makers.
Devon & Sheridan is a totally different area than Pratt & Glenwood.
It is nowhere near Morse, and doesn't have the problems that we've been seeing in the 1500-1600 blocks of W. Pratt lately.
Also, it is in a good building that does not let people congregate in the parking lot. This is a very nice corner.
The place on Pratt has a parking lot in front, and the store personnel will have a difficult time keeping rowdies from loitering there. It will be a non-stop battle, especially late at night.
The corner of Pratt & Glenwood is immediately adjacent to a spot with real problems. Let's not add to them.
And it looks like we have quite enough places to buy package goods in the area already.
We don't need more package liquor on Pratt, Clark, or Sheridan, or Devon, or Howard. We've got problems enough.
I'm a hop-skip and jump from that 7-11 and so I would oppose liquor sales there. I can already envision all the new problems that would be the result - The 7-11 has already had problems....smashed windows, theft etc. why invite more trouble? In the spirit of capitalism, if it does go forward, then I surely hope they don't sell small individual portions for quick on the spot drunkeness. One thing that would differentiate 7-11 from Soo's is that the police frequent the place for their coffee and snacks so it MAY NOT be that big of a deal. Wouldn't the prices be much higher than a regular liquor store?
Bringing package liquor to that corner would in no way be a positive action. It would have an immediate, negative impact on that corner and surrounding blocks.
Please, please, please, no liquor sales at that location!
Doesn't Dukes still sell half pints and beer? They certainly used to.
As to the $20 ban at night, I think it is most likely because the cashiers do not have access to the safe during those hours, to prevent the likelihood of a robbery. Taking 20 dollar bills can wipe out you change till very quickly.
I agree it is inconveniant, but probably a necessity. All night conveniance stores tend to be targets for crime
Sure why not?
Only the well healed in RP should get to buy "liquor" ?
If it was a wine and cheese shop you people would be wetting yourselves and banging on about what a great addition it is to this under "served" neighborhood.
I hate this whole "process"
The difference here is that the property in front of 7-11 is theirs. Loitering would drive customers away, and likely not be tolerated. I've never really even seen much loitering in front of many 7-11's. Over at Morse you can't tell anyone what to do as far as loitering. The problems would be the alley east of the CTA (Glenwood) becoming a urinal, and higher foot and car traffic on Glenwood in general, but it's not that residential on that side.
I haven't figured out a connection yet between the people gathering in groups, riding bicycles, being lookouts, selling weed and crack, buying weed and crack, and smoking weed and crack in and around Morse, and the liquor stores (other than the lounge). Other CTA station areas have them and are nowhere near as bad as Morse
Also, I think it is important for normal people to use Morse as much as possible, but it would be nice to have a place you can pull into and park at to pick up something up, and not have to go to Morse all the time.
That's right, Charlie. I would be delighted by a wine-and-cheese shop, but oppose a package liquor store at this particular location.
However, it's not so much that we prefer only "well-heeled" people to buy booze.
It's just that we do not want a place catering to the neighborhood low-lifes.
Why invite trouble? Do we not already have enough package liquor stores selling the kind of products that draw the kind of people who cause problems.
Most people in most nabes would have no problem blocking convenience store from selling these goods. It would not be a political issue. It would be off the table, period.
Why do we have to permit "nuisance" type businesses?
REPEAT NO LIQUOR FOR SEVEN ELEVEN-
BUT ONE QUESTION --
IS THIS SEVEN ELEVEN LOCATION A POLITICAL DONOR TO JOMO?
There's enough places already to get "junk" liquor. If we didn't have the related problems already, this would not be a problem.
Gentrification ain't pretty, but neither are crime and blighted commercial areas.
i am glad that this is getting so much discussion. i hope that folks will come out to the meeting. i appreciate that a venue was found that is very close to the location so that affected folks can come out.
i am opposed to this just from the standpoint of stare decisis- there is a moratorium in place. keep it. this fiddling is just unfair.
Humpf. . .a stop sign at that location would serve a better purpose. Drivers roar through there like Speed Racer in his Mach 5 car.
That 7-11 already sells beer, right? Why do they need to sell harder stuff? I can envision their parking lot full of low-life characters, in addition to teens hanging around trying to get someone to buy them a taste.
We have enough problems with liquor stores on Morse and elsewhere in the neighborhood and city. I'm not saying the 7-11 manager wouldn't be dilligent in checking IDs, but there are enough places to buy poison if people want to drink it.
Once its lifted the moritorium is gone, be very careful about allowing it to happen, you won't be able to restate it. Also a license can transfer so you won't have any recourse.
Yeah, let them sell booze. Move the bullshit away from Morse!!!!!
Then Craig might move too.
If you haven't noticed, I'm not in town this weekend. I'm way down south (unknown location to all of you) at a crotch-o-cross (trails) competition.
But that shouldn't stop everyone from continuing this discussion.
See you Monday.
JOMO POSTED A FLYER OVER THE AREA THIS MORNING AND READING BETWEEN THE LINES LOOKS LIKE HE HAS ALREADY MADE UP HIS MIND IN FAVOR OF OF SEVEN-ELEVEN-
I live near the corner of Granville and Winthrop. The neighborhood here is 1000 times better since the liquor stores on the corner stopped selling booze. The only people that will benefit from selling booze at 7-11 are the people selling it. Everyone else will suffer. Trust me.
FYI- The Alderman stated that he is considering lifting the ban for this store and then it would go right back to being reinstated.
He said he would only allow the ban to be lifted for this store if the community supports it and it does not look like that will happen.
FYI- The Alderman stated that he is considering lifting the ban for this store and then it would go right back to being reinstated.
He said he would only allow the ban to be lifted for this store if the community supports it and it does not look like that will happen.
I don't believe this is legal any longer. As I understand and as DorothyPArker pointed out. You lift it and it is lifted for a year. No reinstating it........
Been that way for years now?
Charlie- from the Alderman's email... He isn't mentioning that if it is the case. In any case, I think most people are against this anyway.
"A moratorium on the sale of packaged liquor is currently in place at that address. The Chicago City Council must pass an ordinance lifting the moratorium before Mr. Sayed can apply for the license. Mr. Sayed's 7-Eleven store would be the only business affected by the lifting of the moratorium.
If I were to introduce an ordinance lifting the moratorium, I would introduce another ordinance reinstating the moratorium after Mr. Sayed obtained his license, so that the license could not be transferred to another owner."
Well we all now that when there are packaged good for sale in a borderline area things are likely to get worse.
This 7-11 is a great business and I really like the people who work there but no way do they need a liscense to sell liquor
I am no tea totalling teri but right now in this climate of muggings, shootings, and drug dealings
more liquor on the street only adds more mischief to the pot!
anyone who "reads between the lines" and says that joe is considering this should maybe read it again. he expresses no opinion expect that "I will not support the proposal without substantial community support."
you are reading your own opinions between the lines, jocelyn.
Will 7-11 endanger the children?
Petition to stop 7-11 from selling booze.
I never said Joe was considering this. You're reading YOUR own crap between the lines. Leave me be!
Mo - you are so dumb - you can't even see when I am supporting Joe. The election is so way over. Time to move on.
As my old friend Ogden Nash once said:
Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.
Let's have a drink for everyone!
>>Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.
The original Willy Wonka said that as well.
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