From the EPD - I am not thrilled with this info but I must tell you, the Tally Ho is a problem, if the story is true.Blognotes: Still no word (email blast) from crime-fighter Joe Moore on his version of events or what he plans to do about the Tally Ho. My guess is he's looking for someone like a blogger to blame it on.
The chief gave me this message from a report he received:
I spoke with Sgt. Biondi before he left and advised me that Sgt. Mulligan spoke with Det. Kolliopoulos CPD Area 3 and learned through interview with the victim, Jamie JOHNSON, 24 of 7700 N. Marshfield that he admitted to speaking with a woman while at the Tally Ho lounge in an effort to pick her up but apparently she was with someone else. This apparently precipitated the shooting at 02:35 hours when CPD responded to a Shots Fired call at the Popeye’s Chicken. Four shell casings were recovered from the scene and the victim was wounded in the thigh. A green Dodge Intrepid with temporary tags was seen leaving the scene.
This incident is not gang related.
A second gunshot victim was taken to Weiss Memorial hospital in the early morning hours and dropped off but it is undermined if this was an additional victim from Howard St.
End of story.
Yes I am going to find out where they found the other victim.
Monday, April 21, 2008
* Shooting Victim Identified
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Cowardly Joe Moore blames the blogger.
The Tally Ho is a place like Soo Liquors- a commercial ventured rigged to draw the lowest elements in the population.
People who say that the fault lies with the lowlifes who patronize these places, and not with the ownership of the businesses, are factually correct, but miss the point that these businesses would not exist in their current form without a large base of people with extremly debased taste, to patronize them, because these are not the types of enterprises that stable, desirable people regularly patronize.
It is up to a business owner to set the tone of his place and manage his clientele and their behavior by the type of merchandise and services he offers, and by the behaviors and types of people he tolerates in and around his business premises. A good business owner who cares about the impact of his business on the civil environment simply will not offer the types of products and services that only people of a certain undesirable type buy. He or she will not abide lowlifes starting fights in and around the place, or loitering in large packs outside the place and menacing passers-by.
So don't give me this crap about how the business owner has no control over his business- it is very much the business owner's fault when the place becomes a hangout for the worst people in the area, and you can't walk by the place without feeling like you need to cross the street, or move to another neighborhood.
Same thing goes for slumlords. Almost all the buildings in this area indentified as slums could be good, cheap buildings given the proper management. We have some very cheap rental buildings in this area that generate no problems at all and are nice places to live, while other places that cost more are absolute sumps.
Based on their records as business owners, both the Tally Ho and Soo deserve to be shut down.
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1951 W Howard
(773) 508-6789
PETER LANGHART, President & Secretary
7221 N SHERIDAN RD
$500.00 3/18/2007 to Citizens for Joe Moore
North Coast: So youre saying that the owner of the Tally Ho should have run over to the Popeye's parking lot and prevented the shooting based on a conversation that started in his bar?
Or is he supposed to order his paying customers not to strike up conversations--this is a bar after all--with other customers?
Consider the types of people who live around the Tally Ho--"a large base of people with extremly debased taste." What do you expect? Based on your argument, most of Rogers Park should be voted dry.
Most of Rogers Park SHOULD be voted dry.
Listen, many Lincoln Park precincts went dry because of the problems arising from yuppie sports bars, where mobs of rowdy, rude young men would issue noisily forth from these joints in the early AM, and urinate, and sometimes even defecate, on other people's front lawns and even doorstoops. I was living in Lakeview, on Wellington, at the time, and the local nuisance was the Lakeview Lounge, a redoubt of extremely unsavory people who would sit on the low wall in front and heckle women passing by, and throw their cans and bottles all over the street. Owners this dive and of other nearby dramshop-type joints were told to either restrain their patrons or be forced to close up.Lakeview closed voluntarily, and the others swiftly cleaned up their acts, which is why they are sill there.
You, the owner or barkeep, don't have to run your place like a 3rd grade classroom in order to maintain a certain tone, and you sound ridiculous when you jibe, "is he supposed to order his paying customers not to strike up conversations". Pleeeease!! Any barkeep, or patron, knows when a "conversation" is beginning to morph into a bellicose argument of the type that causes weapons to be drawn, and orders the perps out of the place. Good bars somehow manage not to have these types of customers, or the types of problems they cause. I have never once witnessed such a thing at a good place like Gino's on Granville, or any other place I visit. That is because the people who run the place will not tolerate certain types of people, and let them know that they are not welcome. That is what being a good barkeep, or business owner, is all about,and that is the purpose of bar bouncers, so if you are running the type of place where you get these types of customers, I would suggest you employ such a person, or lose your business, because no decent neighborhood will tolerate fights, shootings, or people who loiter and urinate and throw up in front of the place and on surrounding lawns and doorsteps.
And lest anyone accuse me of being anti-free-enterprise, may I suggest you go out to some Republican suburb and open up a joint there that operates like Tally Ho or Soo, and see just how long the town tolerates your place.
Amphora is a bar/restaurant that operates blocks from Tally-Ho (near the Howard/Chicago intersection) and never seems to have the problems that Tally-Ho does. Every time I go there, I see a diverse group of people acting in a civil manner. Why is this? What is the difference between the two establishments? They are almost in the same place, but they are worlds apart in feeling.
Maybe part of it is the "genre": Amphora is a bar *in addition to* a nice restaurant. Maybe it's the patrons: yes, they're diverse in terms of race and age, but perhaps not as much in terms of socio-economic status. Maybe it's the staff: I doubt the owner would put up with tough talking and fights.
One way or the other, if the neighborhood gets a chance to shut down Tally-Ho, I will support the effort 100%.
Amphora is a bar/restaurant that operates blocks from Tally-Ho (near the Howard/Chicago intersection) and never seems to have the problems that Tally-Ho does. Every time I go there, I see a diverse group of people acting in a civil manner.
Responsible management makes a huge difference. If owners and managers don't tolerate a lot of crap in their business, it tends not to happen there.
don't bother calling the alderman about Tally Ho
he's already had his mind made up
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