Joe Moore Still Remains Silent
10:16 PM: We've had more shots fired in Rogers Park this weekend. This time at 1750 West Pratt. One person was hit in the right rear shoulder and was taken to St. Francis Hospital on his own accord. Arriving for surgery at 10:23 PM.
Witnesses say two cars are involved in the shooting. One car had three Hispanics. The other car involved has four Hispanics, one was a female. They're possibly part of the Ashland Viking Nation gang. Further details are unavailable at the moment.
Blognotes: Oh, by the way. Remember when Joe Moore told us we could "sleep tight" during last years election? Remember how he said he was bringing the community together to fight crime? How many of you sheeple believed that crap? I sure didn't. Stay tuned to the "Broken Heart' as we keep you informed on the lawlessness that is the 49th ward under the leadership of Joe Moore.
36 comments:
What a surprise...another shooting in the neighborhood. It is high time that we start getting rid of this low income parasites that plague this neighborhood.
All the blame should go to Joke Moore, time to get rid of that Bleeding Heart Liberal Ka-Ka Roach. The only thing that he and previous aldergoon David Orr did was ghetto-ized and increase crime in Rogers Park. I am so glad that I have moved out of his ward, but i still have family and friends that live their.
Why does Moore want these scumbag people roaming our streets? The alderman's office told me it was "diversity" and supporting "low income" and "affordable" housing. I don't think so!! It is supporting low lifes that go around looking for trouble, cause fights and ruin the property. Speak up Moore - what about all this crime!!!
How do we get rid of this guy?
Vote No Moore in 2010
comments and rhetoric like 'scumbags' and 'parasites', when directly associated with groups like 'low income', 'ghetto' and 'diversity' sounds like a pretty thinly veiled racism. I question whether this blog is serving as a stomping ground for neighborhood white supremacists.
"Many people who practice race baiting often believe in racism, or have an interest in making the group believe that racism is what motivates the actions of others."
Frank is a classic race-baiter.
Frank,
I think you'll find the world over that neighbourhoods that are labelled "Low Income" or "Ghetto's" are generally trouble spots and sources of high crime.
Its not a race problem, its an economic problem. And its shameful to try and stop this conversation from happening by playing the race card.
My own take on this is that Moore is not doing enough to bring businesses into Rogers Park, businesses that could serve as potential employers and bring people out of poverty.
If part of the reason that businesses are not coming into RP because of crime, then Moore has to tackle that first.
So what time is the fight at Sullivan High School set to kick off today?...
A lot of the posters here blame Joe Moore and David Orr and their "liberalness" for attracting and protecting the resident lowlifes of RP. In reality, there are a greater number of RP "neighborhood activist" types who are ready to enhance their resumes or launch future political careers by fighting and advocating on behalf of the families that house these troublemakers. I remember a woman named Deborah Senn who was very active in this regard (open housing, et cetera) during the 1980s. She cut her teeth in RP, but today she's an elected official in Seattle.
There's a very bad apartment building at 1735 W. Pratt that is spreading blight to surrounding buildings.
I've called that place in. Friend looked at an apt there, was completely appalled at the condition, the types of people hanging out in and around it, and the really bad odors and filth in the halls. She thinks it's a crank house.
There's a very bad apartment building at 1735 W. Pratt that is spreading blight to surrounding buildings.
If you think there's something going on at that building, help to get rid of it by filling out one of these:
Gang and Drug House Reporting Form PDF
mark fletcher said, "Its not a race problem, its an economic problem. And its shameful to try and stop this conversation from happening by playing the race card."
You are sooooo right, mark. I've been making this point for years. Until the concentration of poverty NoH (42+% of residents live at or below the national poverty level, 95% of the rental housing is low-income subsidized) is dealt with, any hope of viable retail/commercial development on Howard Street, east of the el, is 'pie in the sky' B.S.! It's not going to happen without a viable NoH residential economic base to draw from.
"It is high time that we start getting rid of this low income parasites that plague this neighborhood."
"Why does Moore want these scumbag people roaming our streets? The alderman's office told me it was "diversity" and supporting "low income" and "affordable" housing. I don't think so!!"
When I read harsh generalizations like this, I cringe. It just sounds very bad and makes the commenter seem... I have to say, a bit racist. At the very least, it shows a lack of perspective and balance in attitude.
When I read harsh generalizations like this, I cringe.
Also, the "parasites" aren't even necessarily "low income". Selling drug can pay quite well for the right people. Don't let those baggy pants fool you into thinking those pockets are empty.
All this whining and crying going on here, and blatant racism. If its such a hellhole, and you cannot do anything about it MOVE! RP has been like this for many many years , now just because you decided on moving in there everyone else has to move out??? If your so concerned get in there and help the at risk youth, volunteer for after school programs, big brother programs, quit your whining and do something helpful for the community instead of trying to push everyone not white out, or just move to lincoln park.
"If you don't like it move to Lincoln Park..."
Now there's an original.
"trying to push everyone not white out..."
Who said that? You're putting words where no words were written.
Classic race-baiting.
No actually reading many of the posts here thats the whole vibe Im getting, not just this thread but others to. As for moving to lincoln park, its just the truth thats the environment its seems so many people here are striving for. Fortunately for me Rogers Park is very diverse, and thats what the beauty about it is. Its a heavily immigrant neighborhood,and with immigrants comes low income, but also a desire for a better environment. Instead of focusing on the negatives of the areas long term residents, why not help them? If you spent half the time you spend on this blog mentoring some neighborhood kids you might see a real difference, right now all your doing is blowing up the divide that many of these kids feel towards white men with power.
Hey rpr,
Get real! I don't know how long or where you live in RP, but the best way to help the low-income residents (especially the children) in any neighborhood, is to make sure they live in mixed-income buildings and neighborhoods, where there are positive role models, not in concentrated pockets of poverty where the gang bangers and drug dealers are in control. And it's not about immigrants and race, it's about people having a positive quality of live and good role models! Stop with the 'race-baiting'!!!!
The Rogers Park World Music Festival this past Saturday proves several points. Also, at Gale Park, was a "Community Health and Fitness Fair", sponsored by HOW (Housing Opprtunities for Women, located right across the street). HOW's officials were greatly disappointed at the low turn-out, though they had people on hand doing blood pressure screening, blood sugar screening and HIV testing for FREE!
The "low-income" residents of this area could have truly benefited from these services. Instead, upper Howard was busy, with deals going on under the viaduct because their usual area,the "chess tables" at the north end of the park.
The event was well-publicized, but I'm beginning to believe some of these folks just don't want help. they're happy living hopeless, drug- and alcohol-sodden lives in filthy apartments owned by slumlords.
GG
I have a bachelor's degree, I work and I'm poor. I live in Rogers Park because I'm poor and I can have a decent apartment unlike in other neighborhoods or suburbs. I do not live in subsidized housing, but it upsets me to hear everyone making assumptions based on a person's income.
If you're in a gang or dealing drugs, that's one thing- how many families do you think live in the subsidized housing that need help and hate the bullshit just as much as you do!?
Gale Park was not well advertised and for the locals north of Howard they just came as they always do, let's not jump to conclusions. Does everyone have to voice a fiery opinion? ...oh I forgot this is "blogger"
MCL mixed income is fine, but completly gentrifying the neighborhood is something different. My point is that most of the people here seem bent on just completely changing the makeup of the area, "get rid of the low income buildings" is something ive read here time and time again. Again why dont you or anyone here become that positive role model? Ive lived in RP my entire life born and raised twentyfive years and I have had plenty of my run ins with the law, but now Im out trying to help these kids in this neighborhood, and on one side theres the bangers recruiting, and on the other the new guy down the street trying to shoo them out and get their apartment building convereted so he can make money off his new condo, its not race baiting im just calling it the way I see it
"rpr" said...> "mixed income is fine, but completly gentrifying the neighborhood is something different"
The only one gentrifying the neighborhood is Joe Moore and his campaign contributing, developer buddies. Go talk to them.
rpr,
I've lived NoH longer than you are old. There are many programs and mentors available to young people who want to better themselves and improve their lives. There isn't a lack of that effort. The problem that must be addressed is the CONCENTRATION of low-income housing, hence poverty in a small area (3 blocks x 5 blocks, 42+% of residents live at or below the national poverty level, 95% of the rental housing is low-income subsidized)! It's not about race or gentrification, it's about embarking on a long range plan to convert the low-income rental property into MIX-INCOME housing as is being done all over the country. The environment/culture that has been created NoH (gang-banger/drug dealer role models, "don't snitch', aspiring to achieve in school gets you ridiculed by your peers, etc.,etc.) will not and cannot change unless and until this concentration is diluted by working to evolve the rental housing into MIXED-INCOME, changing the environment and providing positive role models within the residential property and on the street. You need to take off those 'rose colored glasses' and start dealing with reality.
Frank - no thinly veiled racism here - I don't care what color someone is - I want them to be decent human beings that contribute to society and not crime.
Morse Ave - cringe all you want - I'm not a racist and never have been - who are you? my college professor or my psychiatrist?
I have had many friends try living in mixed income housing and all have moved - people didn't take care of their property - gun shots - thugs walking around. Sorry, I would never put my hard earned money in a mixed housing development. Sounds nice on paper but in reality, it's something else
What exactly do you consider to be "LOW INCOME HOUSING" I have lived in Rogers Park for over 25 years and up until a few years ago when the Developers started moving in an selling their cheap constructed high priced Condo's the amount of $650 a month for a one bedroom was considered to be high rent. Now, the same person living in the same building paying the same $650 a month for a one bedroom is considered to be living in a "LOW INCOME" housing. Does this mean that the high rate of people who onced lived in the high priced Luxury Condo's and lost them through foreclosure are now considered to be living in "LOW INCOME" housing just because their rent is half of what their ridiculously high priced condo mortgage was mean they are now living in a LOW INCOME building? Just because it doesn't have Stainless Steel appliances and Granite countertops doesn't mean it is a LOW INCOME building. In regards to Lincoln Park, Does anyone ever smile there? The men are always looking at themselves in the mirror and the women are always out shopping for the latest fab baby dipper. No thanks, give me Rogers Park anyday...
In 'true' mixed-income communities, where there is good management of the rental component, there has been and continues to be great success, providing good quality of life for all income levels. For more info: http://www.corcoranjennison.com
From their web site:
CJ Management: Mixed-Income Properties
"CJ Management shares key personnel with CMJ Management, which was the first managment company in the nation to manage private mixed-income housing. Our success and familiarity with Section 8 and tax credit issues make us a leader in the industry for this type of housing.
Mixed-income housing, where a number of the total units are set aside for low or moderate income residents, is widely known in the housing industry today, but that was not always the case. CMJ Management was not only the first firm in the nation to manage this type of housing, but also the first to incorporate "resident services" as a key to its management strategy.
To attract market rate residents, we realize that our properties need to be impeccably maintained, and our leasing and management staffs need to offer better service than the market rate competition."
razidazlrr, what you describe is either not real 'mixed income' housing and/or it was not competently managed or operated.
P.S. to Sandy
I'm referring to concentrations of subsidized, low income housing. You are talking about affordable or moderately 'priced' rental property. Two completely differently types.
RE: I have a bachelor's degree, I work and I'm poor. I live in Rogers Park because I'm poor and I can have a decent apartment unlike in other neighborhoods or suburbs. I do not live in subsidized housing, but it upsets me to hear everyone making assumptions based on a person's income.
If you're in a gang or dealing drugs, that's one thing- how many families do you think live in the subsidized housing that need help and hate the bullshit just as much as you do!?
Gale Park was not well advertised and for the locals north of Howard they just came as they always do, let's not jump to conclusions. Does everyone have to voice a fiery opinion? ...oh I forgot this is "blogger"
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presstoe's: Be a good girl and take your meds. Make certain to take care of your rats and other "nations", and empty the garbage of Smirnoff bottles every day. Better yet, empty your life of theSmirnoff. "Drink'n'mail" is not adding to your credilbility.
Your bachelor's degree means nothing until you utilize self-discipline and re-join the real world.
MCL unfortunately the mixed income buildings sound great only on paper or when politicians speak of them. In reality all thats happening is greedy developers are coming into these neighborhoods and taking what they please and making a killer profit, and as stated by someone above, what was once considered affordable to one resident is now jacked up and considered "low income" to the developer. Half million dollar condos is probably out of the reach of half the people posting here let alone the father of a family working three jobs. Introducing mixed development is not even scratching the surface, the problem with the gangs, violence, and drugs goes much deeper than that.
rpr
You don't get it! Or understand what I'm talking about and it's not about 'developing condo's'. It's about MIXED INCOME RENTAL!! Do some research.
mcl - well, what do you expect their website to say?? Of course, they are going to say they do a great job! Mixed income = just what it says - people that pay market value for their property and people with the same units that are subsidized. It's one of those great ideas on paper and a politician's sell but in reality it has been a disaster. Builders had to supply some mixed income housing to buy many properties from the city.
Razldazlrr
You also don't know what you're talking about. I have first hand knowledge of the Corcoran Jennison company who 25 years ago pioneered in turning around public housing projects by redeveloping them into true mixed income rental communities. These MIXED INCOME rental communities continue to thrive and exist in Boston, Washington D. C. and other large cities. As I said to rpr...do some research before you make statements on this. Have a good day!
To date I've done 43 "shots fired" stories in Rogers Park this year. Including 4 murders.
That's what this thread is about.
Grammar Gal- your comments have nothing to do with the discussion here in this blog. "Real world" exists outside the confines of the social engagements you are establishing, if you want to take this discussion out of context.
Think about discipline and what you are enabling by the continuation of another person's project, like so many other unfinished projects. You don't know the whole story, so I think you should take that into account. It takes a long time to know someone, and when the pieces finally fit together you will understand what I'm talking about.
Take care and focus on something positive. I have a life that I am moving forward with.
My son was robbed by two men this morning on his way to school at around 7:15 am. They flashed a gun and told him to give them all his things.They took is IPOD touch and his cell phone along with some change. They were both African American about 6 ft tall. One with dark skin and the other had light skin. They had hoods over their heads. One was in a green hoodie and the other had a black and white checkered hoodie. This was on Touhy by The Marathon gas station. If you have any information about these thugs please contact the police.The police should have more presence around our neighborhood schools so that students are safe to walk to and from home and school!I am pleading with the police and our community to protect our children from these evil people who prey on the innocent!!! If you see something, report it! Even if it's loitering or suspicious behavior of any kind.This type of crime is getting worse in our neighborhood.
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