Good afternoon, everyone. Yet another shooting has occurred in Rogers Park. According to the Chicago Sun-Times article on this, a girl in her teens and a man who is 18 yrs old were shot. This occurred in the 2000 block of West Birchwood. My question is, how come the girl was allowed outside after curfew?
Howard said: "Shortly after midnight, shots fired in the alley behind Birchwood between Hoyne and Ridge. Cops came by saying "somebody's been shot".
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Why don't we ask the parents!
Why would you assume that someone "allowed" her to go out? For all you know she could have sneaked out of her house.
Regarding teens out after curfew? Is that something to call 911 about?
Like I said, lets ask the parents.
MusicLover, that could be the case as well (and most likely is), but you never know with these kind of things.
Marcum, it is something to call about, but if it's not an emergency, maybe calling 311 or your local police station would be your best bet.
You should call 911 for anything needed police response including curfew violation.
As a Police Officer living in Rogers Park, I can tell you first hand that purchasing a home in Rogers Park is the biggest regret I have today. I preferred to purchase property near O'Hare, but the wife wanted to be closer to her mother's residence. Believe me, I constantly remind my wife of this dreadful mistake. Rogers Park is a horrible and crime-ridden neighborhood, and even West Ridge has some serious issues. If you literally go a few blocks east of Western, you're in trouble. Yes, as Police Officers we see the worst of the city, but Rogers Park takes the cake. Unfortunately, amidst this horrible economy, we're stuck for a few more years. I will be moving as soon as financially possible. Just be careful people - Rogers Park is infested with the lowest scum of the earth. It will never get better, while other neighborhoods within the 19th and 20th Districts, for example, are flourishing.
CAPS beat 2424. A very dangerous place to live.
coldcity, what should be done? Seeing as how you're a cop and all, what do you think needs to be done? We've heard Big Daddy's take on things here and I respect his viewpoint a lot. So what's your opinion?
Then again, I guess your statement that you're getting out as soon as you can tells me all I need to know, right?
coldcity80, I just got done reading a post on this site from back in September and someone said the EXACT same words you said. Are you that same person?
SouthOfPratt, I agree. I also agree with Craig. That beat sure seems full of action.
Man on the Street, I honestly don't know what could be done specifically. I personally work on directed missions in my district, bestowed upon us by the bosses. I hope, at least, that the same is being done in Rogers Park. I'm definitely not saying that Rogers Park is the absolutely worst place to live in the city, but it has changed from what I remember it to be a few decades ago. The neighborhood I grew up in is literally infested with crime. With the Olympics inevitably coming to Chicago, will that change things for the worse? Believe me, I do feel bad for the direction Rogers Park has taken, but if anything, I somewhat "enjoy" the West Ridge area. For example, the Jewish, Indian, and Pakistani communities within that area are generally peaceful, and I'm hoping the rest of the neighborhood can learn from that. Unfortunately, my frustration is clear through my opinions, and yes, they're only opinions. If you enjoy Rogers Park, that's outstanding. All I ask is that the residents remain informed and vigilant.
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It's the guns....that's right...too many guns....ah, well....get the guns off the streets....
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Craig, thanks for posting the extra links in the post :). I wasn't too sure how to do that.
Chip Bagg, is there a way we can do that? How can we get the guns off the street when people are crossing over into Indiana to get them?
coldcity80, the Olympics will harm Rogers Park, and the Olympics in Chicago is not, not, NOT inevitable.
Now that we have proof that the public will get stuck with a major part of the bill for this shindig on steroids, the tide of public opinion is turning against the 2016 games.
Not only did the IOC people meet with a very unfavorable reception at the meeting last week in RP, but Lakeview (44th ward) and Downtown (42nd ward) residents were very skeptical and critical at meetings held in those wards.
The games would certainly cause major disruption and displace many poor people, who will end up in other neighborhoods.
The games will surely be a financial and logistical nightmare for this city, will sorely tax our underfunded first responders and create a monster security problem and crowd control problem.
Go to http://nogameschicago.com/ and sign the petition if you dread the games.
The more noise we make, the more controversy we create, the more inclined the IOC will be to select another city to inflict the games on. The IOC despises controversy.
The North Coast,
My question regarding the Olympics was more of a rhetorical question. We all know, unequivocally, that the Olympics will cause harm to the city, most notably our pockets! The word from the upper echelon is that Olympics are coming to the city, and that the city has to "really screw up" NOT to get the Olympics, but I have signed that petition, thank you.
I keep hoping Shortshanks will get indicted or something, but his daddy taught him too well how not to leave tracks. Even though he is for the most part an idiot, he is very clever about certain things, and Not Getting Caught is one of them. You can smell him but you can't prove anything.
In the meantime, we need to generate as much heat as possible.
This area will bear the brunt of the displacements and dislocations. My boyfriend told me many years ago: Laura, he said, don't vest any hope in Rogers Park. It's beautiful, but it's the designated dumping ground. Daley has wanted to turn the inner city area into a playground for rich tourists for years, and he doesn't care what he does to the rest of the city to accomplish that.
I know of someone that put the Olympic games to a positive use.
The concept at least.
If people feel disillusioned about the Olympics and resign themselves to the forced inevitability of these games being held in Chicago then consider a person who helped to make a substantial difference in the existence of others.
In fact she was pivotal in finding a forum for individuals who were once perceived as incapable and regarded,by some,with disconcertment or derisive contempt in this society,to achieve a measure of civic pride.
Mrs. Eunice Shriver nee Kennedy.
Good God - I hope the Olympics are not inevitable. If they are, I truly may consider moving out of this city. I saw this morning that they want to raise property taxes again to cover education (how about people having less kids when they can't afford them?) And then we will get hit with the cost of the Olympics??? That is truly the last thing this city needs - I have already been told by the Alderman's office that several funds and resources targeted for this area were frozen to use for the Olympics push.
The Ward meetings being held regarding the Olympics will have NO bearing on the city hosting the 2016 games. These meetings are simply Daley's 'dog & pony show', much like those held by Alderman Moore in the 49th Ward, to get community 'input', when in fact, the decisions have been made.
Codlcity, thanks for the response. I feel bad too for the direction the area has taken. I too remember it from a few decaded ago (hitting Biddy Mulligans for a show, drinking at the bar around the corner than had turtle races on Thursday nights, the folks who's dress up for the Rocky Horror show at the Village North, seeing a Mel Brooks movie marathon at the Granada...). But the relative quickness with which the area has turned has taken most of the longtime residents by complete surprise, I think.
So do you think the solution to the problem starts with the community leadership (alderman) or the way the police are being used and deployed by the top brass? Or a combination of both?
Coldcity80 I doubt you re a police officer. More crime west of Ridge than not! Lots of purse snatching and break ins. 25 years from now you will be sitting pretty on a nice piece of property Be happy. Stop being a hater!
BE HERE NOW!
Mike, you are right... the Olympics are an inevitability if the IOC selects this city, because our leaders will no way cxl their bid.
However, the IOC hates controversy of the type that's now being generated. They really did not expect so much heat and animosity and so many pointed questions at the ward dog-and-pony shows. They expect all us little citizens out here to turn into grinning idiots upon watching the video, and lie down and roll over.
If they smell too much trouble, they will go away and choose another city. If we can make them believe that there will be major unrest over this, maybe they'll just drop us like a bad habit.
MADRID IN 2016!! Or Rio. Or Tokyo, PLEEEEASE!
northcoast, my opinion of your intelligence just gets lower and lower with every post i read.
the people at the meeting were NOT the ioc. they were from the bid committee for the chicago bid. they were not here to hear your opinion and consider it. they were here to answer questions about their bid.
as far as the actual ioc, if you don't think that there are cranks and whiners in every city that has every had the olympics i got a couple of really nice condos in a nice quiet empty building you might be interested in. really. thick enough to stop a nuclear blast you are.
been there, those were representatives of the IOC. They were not THE IOC,but they represented them.
Been there, your intelligence is so low, I think you need a court-appointed guardian.
You have a Disneyland-welfare-entitlement mentality that thinks the population of this country exists for no other reason than to support every idiotic vanity project and other wasteful nonessential that the moochers and parasites of our society can think of. You are a true Welfare Statist.
I have news for you, been there, but I have better uses for my own money than to support athletic contests that will bankrupt my city and turn it into a police state. I have other things to spend my money on than to help people more affluent than me buy cars. I have many needs to fill that will not be met by politicians who regard me and my fellow citizens as milch cows to fund whatever multi-billion dollar a mayor suffering from severe Egoruptcy can foist on us.
Since you are so in favor of the Olympics, you should donate YOUR paycheck, if you even have one, to the effort. And if you believe the IOC shills and our politicians when they say that it won't cost the public a dime, when it has already cost at least $100M, and when our mayor has agreed to cover any unfunded costs, then you are really are an idiot.
But this country is full of idiots whose minds work just like yours, which is why we are comprehensively bankrupt and saddled with public debt it will take the next 30 years to pay off and with private debt that never will be... and why we are right now setting ourselves up for yet another financial disaster in a couple of years.
If Chicago's bond rating ends up being trashed and we find ourselves unable to afford to maintain our services at even a basic level, I will blame all the people who think like you, who think their fellow citizens are bottomless pits, and who don't mind seeing them blown out of their houses and small businesses by the taxes necessary to pay for our egomaniac mayor's idiotic extravaganzas.
And I have another piece of news for you... if Chicago is unfortunate enough to be awarded this shindig, no special glory will accrue to YOU as a result, and you won't be a jot better off for it.
again, they were not from the ioc. do you know what the letters stand for? international olympic committee. that is the body that will decide on the city based on the work of the local bid committee, which is who was at the meeting. and they haven't taken any of your money. they have raised private funds.
and really, as someone who has been known to object to "your money" being taken to build roads, you are clearly some sort of sociopath. unfortunately for you, and all of us really, there is no opt out button that will leave you on your own and not dependent of society while you are alive. feel free to opt yourself out of life when it gets too tough for you to exist in a community.
What, I'm a "sociopath" because I object to the construction of highways that destroy the physical cohesion of our cities, drain money away from necessary streets and roads and sewer and other infrastructure to build 8-lane mega highways to distant burbs to further disperse the population into places where they cannot POSSIBLY live without a fucking car?
been there, I believe I truly CARE about people more than you do.
I deeply CARE about the people who struggled their whole lives to buy little houses in marginal neighborhoods, just to be blown out of the homes that they EARNED, and be forced to live in degrading socialized housing..... to pay for crap like 10 lane highways through the Great Nowhere and airports for towns with 7000 people living in them and athletic contests for rich tourists.
I very much CARE for the kids who are born into horrible homes, who are losing their chances at a decent education and whose lives are that much further at risk because of the mounting violence we cannot address for lack of money.
I deeply CARE about my fellow citizens who struggle to earn a living and buy a decent house and raise their kids, who are being plundered to pay for the idiocy people like you think we can print unlimited amounts of money to fund.
I care about all the people isolated in poverty stricken neighborhoods with no transit and no way to get to jobs in suburbs, that exist because our policy makers DELIBERATELY built the interstates to empty our cities into far flung suburbs, while destroying our cities.
I care about the people who don't get the benefits of the subsidies for auto dependence and suburban sprawl, who are living in the cities that are being decimated thereby.
And of course, I care about ME. I think I have the right to put my own interests first, and preserve my own life.
I need TRANSIT, not highways. I need cohesive cities, not suburban sprawl. I need a decently educated population, not a bunch of grinning zombie morons who really believe that I and my neighbors exist for no other reason than to ante up for their entertainment.
been there, you are the typical product of a culture that values image over reality, and mindless entertainment over the necessities that make civilized life possible.
What fucking RIGHT do you have to snatch my money to pay for some idiotic vanity event like the Olympics. I don't mind helping to support and educate destitute children, or build necessary infrastructure, or keep defenseless mentally ill people from having to live on the streets, or fund our police and fire departments adequately, or provide cultural amenities and recreational facilities that are available to ALL citizens, rich or poor, equally. These things are the things that make a city civilized and worth living in, and why most people, self included, cheerfully agree to a tax load somewhat larger than it might be in a place like Cleveland OH or some little town outstate.
YOU are the true "sociopath". Don't fucking sit there and act as though you care about anything but your own vanity and entertainment.
You couldn't possibly care about the people who bear the negative impact of this event, such as the defenseless mentally ill homeless who will be even more viciously mistreated should they dare to crud up the view of the city presented to rich tourists- or the destitute children who will lose services and whose only hope-our public schools- will be even more neglected and underfunded. You could not care about the homeowners who will be forced to sell as their property taxes are hiked, for you figure that's what the rest of us are here for, to pay for pharaonic vanity projects and for anything else that you and your ilk can dream up to drain the public till.
You also don't draw on past experience, like that of Vancouver, London, and Montreal, all of whom were saddled with massive public debt pursuant to hosting this idiotic event.
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