Tuesday, May 25, 2010
Man Shot on Morse Avenue
From the Sun-Times: A man shot near a CTA Red Line station in the Rogers Park neighborhood early Tuesday was in surgery at a hospital, police said. One man was shot about 5:15 a.m. on the 1300 block of West Morse Avenue, according to Rogers Park District police. As of 8 a.m. he was in surgery at Saint Francis Hospital in Evanston, according to police. His condition was not known immediately and no one has been arrested, according to police. The shooting occurred just a few doors down from the Morse Red Line station. Belmont Area detectives are investigating.
Blognotes: These shots woke me up this morning. Nearly 10 pops were heard by my count. I thought it was just firecrackers, I guess I was wrong. I don't bother calling 911 anymore on these types of early morning calls, because I listen to the scanner relay the calls nearly 5 minutes after the fact -- and the officers always arrive giving a "slow down" - like nothing happened. Well, today something did happen. Someone actually got hit with a bullet.
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Last night was hell on earth
at wayne and farwell.
Gangbangers lying on cars.
Prostitutes.
(One of the prostitutes was there with her baby in a baby carriage)
Drug deals of some white powder.
Obnoxious 3 couples at 1am
talking loudly.
Roving bands of thugs at 3am.
the shooting at 5am.
Atleast at 6am a 40 something year old AA male was lecturing a young thug about the stupidity of his hanging with these morons.
But that was very loud as well.
But atleast it was productive.
But hey atleast something productive happened.
The cops did frisk and dress down the thugs at 3am for atleast half an hour a paddywagon was there.
Not sure if anyone was taken away.
I really cant recall how many times I called the cops last night.
Phew. Im very tired and sleep deprived.
I think the construction on morse et. al. and various other factors is really concentrating the thugs to wayne and farwell.
Its like there is a gravity well
at that intersection and these thugs are helplessly drawn and redrawn and redrawn to it over and over because of some metal chip in their body.
Well it has been a better year.
But last night is one of the worst nights. First very hot night.
Monday night. Weird.
We had a shooting right around the corner from me also. In fact, two people were shot in that incident.
The cops give a "slow down" because they don't want other cops responding killing theirselves getting to the scene. We wouldn't want our men in blue getting hurt speeding, would we?
I do wish we had a rogers park update ala uptown update.
Because I myself need it,
so I can vent and discuss.
Craig, all we need is a snippet of something every few days.
Nothing major.
I still have a positive outlook for the future.
There are minor setbacks,
the chaos is being made by less people, and overall things do continue to improve.
I will continue to be vigilant and report any crimes/thuggery
that may haunt the vaunted corner of wayne and farwell.
Weird, we didn't hear anything last night(Lakewood and Morse) and I usually wake up to the gunshots. I agree, this is the blog I've had to check when I want to know the story behind the shots at 3-5am. And the updates have been lacking lately!
Bang-Bang-Bang-Bang-Bang-Bang-Bang-Bang-Bang-Bang.
Say it real quick -- and that's how much time it took to fire off 10 shots at 5:15 AM.
Wonder where the other 9 or so bullets went?
At least we aren't alone here in Rogers Park.
There was a shooting at 140 W. Fullerton last night, in Lincoln Park, according to the Second City cop blog. I'm reading of much more really bad stuff happening in LP, Lakeview and near north than I used to, including gang "wildings" on the North Ave Beach.
I was walking down Kenmore the other day and noticed a veritable gang caucus taking place in front of 5860 N Kenmore. As I wove my way through the crowd on my path northward, I heard one of them remark loudly to another, "These maniacs be gangbanging on us like crazy!" So Edgewater is not exactly in the clear either.
The sad fact is that our police dept is very undermanned and our police feel very demoralized and overwhelmed.
Could we take all the dough we allocate to our alderman as "menu money" for them to toss away on whatever strikes their fancy- like another park when we can't maintain the ones we have, or a library building to replace one that is perfectly adequate and barely 40 years old while library hours are being cut- and beef up our police dept? And give these people the equipment they need and the moral support they need?
Hell, we could even take all the funds that we allocate to Community Councils and Chambers of Commerce and other superfluous "delagate" organizations and put it back to essential services.
Our police need help, everyone. Let's demand that our Mayor, as well as our aldermen, get their priorities straight. Too much money for bread and circuses in this town since Daley took office, and not enough money or attention to the nuts and bolts that make a city work.
Thank you geofredo for the info and for calling the police. I was awake and up at that hour and heard the noise but from as far away as I live it didn't sound like shots.
The police need all the help they can get? Yes. And as lame as it sounds, that is what the beat meetings are for. The 2431 meeting is very poorly attended. Mainly a couple of local crazies. Amusing but not too productive. A larger attendance would at least give the police the impression that we do care about what is happening and that they do have our support. It is the only tool we citizens have as far as I know.
Don't worry about Edgewater or Lincoln Park or Lake View. Worry about RP.
I urge you and your neighbors to attend the next 2431 beat meeting. Not to bitch and complain, but to offer your help and support to the police.
Things must be getting too close to home for Chip Dipp? He/she/it is "getting all serious on us" with the above post.
Whoever this Chip is, don't listen to the flip-flopper. CAPS Beat 2431 is a waste of time and tax payer money. He/she/it knows it.
You'll only leave the meeting more frustrated than when you walked in. It's a dysfunctional bunch.
Hey, Chipp, it may surprise you, but we live in the City of CHICAGO, and where Chicago goes, we go.
Chicago is falling apart because for twenty years we have been led by a Mayor who values vanity projects and circuses above the routine stuff that keeps the city running properly. The Mayor and his 50 mouth-breathing rubber stamps who never say no to a tax-guzzling TIF project and who tie the hands of the police behind their backs while inflicting a Chief on them who as much as forbids them to police effectively.
We have so many TIF districts sucking so much money from the public till, it's a miracle the city can even function. Additionally, the city tosses money at housing subsidies of various types to people in almost every income bracket, from "affordable" housing for the "poor" to grants to buy houses and condos, to TIF funding for condo projects for 850 units in the most saturated market in 80 years AND multi-million dollar subsidies to big boxes like Border's (which is failing in spite of all the help) and Target- while hiking our property taxes to confiscatory levels and making life hellish for small, locally owned business.
What are we getting for all this? Did we need another Target store five miles from an existing one,in a neighborhood that has had 2 daytime shootings in the past year? Did we benefit from the $37 Million subsidy paid to United Airlines to occupy space in the Willis Tower? How many of United's 2500 employees are city residents?
And nearly 20 years ago, the Mayor and his mob decided that our north neighborhoods were to be the dumping grounds for all the refugees from the public housing projects in the near north and south neighborhoods, so these inner-city areas could become yuppie playgrounds.
It isn't just our alderman who's failing us, though he is. Our city leadership is failing us all.
It's been 24 hours and most people have already forgotten about the latest shooting on Morse.
That said, everyone please reserve your RP "gloom and doom" comments for then the next shooting happens sometime next week.
Atleast at 6am a 40 something year old AA male was lecturing a young thug about the stupidity of his hanging with these morons.
This is the only thing heartening about this whole incident/discussion. Hopefully this observation by geofredo will show some of the regular "contributors" to this thread that it's not about race, it's about decent people vs. assholes. I'd like to think there are more decent people.
I may no longer live in the area, or Chicago for that matter, but I still care about it. Here's hoping the people who want to win this "war" stick with it. Trust me, it's worth it.
My findings show the shooting started on the south side of Morse, near Wayne. The bullets were headed northwest, towards the Morse Avenue EL station.
One bullet hole can be seen in the window of the old currency exchange office.
No Timmy we would not want "our men in blue" getting hurt speeding to a call when there is no need for them to be there. The first or second car on the scene determined that he did not require any additional units so he gave a "slowdown". Why should we have those extra units responding to a call when they are not needed? What people seem to forget is that they area they live in is not the only area within a district that we are responsible for. While you may have an emergency situation in Avondale, there may be an emergency situation in Austin, in Galewood, in Belmont Cragin, in Belmont Heights or Hermosa that requires the Police. If a car get's to one of those emergency situations and feels that the other cars may be better deployed, that he doesn't need any extra help,he gives a slowdown. Simple as that. Sounds like you have gone to the other side. I hope not.
A little touchy aren't we, Craig? Could that be because you are still the butt of jokes at beat 2431 meetings after all this time?
Actually you are right about the meetings. Let's all just keep bitching and moaning on this blog and stroke our collective indignation. Pass the lube.
Big Daddy, that was also what I was trying to say. If there's not a real emergency going on and a "slow down" is being given, we don't need more than two units going to the scene.
I was saying that bit about the officers killing theirselves getting to a call because I hear over the radio about this really often. It's not uncommon to hear "squad, slow 'em down, don't get anyone killed coming here!".
I agreee 100%, Big Daddy, about the districts. I understand that you guys have other places that need the police in a situation. So, yeah, like you said, I may have an emergency in my neighborhood, but there's other neighborhoods in the district that also may be having one.
In fact, I even defended the police at my CAPS Beat meeting last night. There was a considerable number of pissed off folks about the police not coming right away for shootings at a particular corner. I interrupted one ranter and I said "Do ANY of you have an idea on how BIG the 25th District is? It's one of the largest districts in the entire city, so no, we're not going to get the police right away in most cases".
I haven't gone to the "other side". What's this other side supposed to mean anyway?
Timmy, the keyword in the statement "we don't want anyone killed getting here" is ANYONE. When you have police cars racing to the scene of a crime you risk someone getting injured or killed. Both Police and citizens. We don't want that. The "other side" is the side that doesn't have a clue as to what is happening around them or what the solution is when they do figure out that there is a problem. The "other side" is usually anti-police, think they can do a better job than the police and tend to blame the police for recent surges in crime when they themselves have fostered that surge for years by their anti-police sentiments and sympathtic behavior towards those that are anti-social. They will always take the side of the thug over the word of a policeman.
"I may no longer live in the area, or Chicago for that matter, but I still care about it. Here's hoping the people who want to win this "war" stick with it. Trust me, it's worth it."
MOTS: So easy to preach from your safe little perch in Denver.
I've got a question. Anyone can respond. If you were out and about and saw a Policeman giving a gangbanger a few well deserved cracks, would you testify for the Policeman or the thug in the civil or criminal trial? Just wonderin.
And be honest. No one knows who you are.
Big Daddy, If I were certain that the cracks were well-deserved, I would testify for the police. Of course, I would then be afraid of retaliation by the thug's family/friends, but the truth needs to be told so that's the way I would go.
I would mind my own business and keep riding by, Big Daddy. No sane white boy wants to go to Cook County Jail for interfering in police matters.
At the same time, there are MANY people (called "activists") in Rogers Park who would gladly want to earn some cred testifying against you (before they move to Seattle a few years from now because the gangbangers they defend ending up making daily living in RP so unbearable).
MOTS: So easy to preach from your safe little perch in Denver.
Yeah, those 20-plus years I spent in Edgewater and Rogers Park and the 40-plus years I lived in Chicago (including in Robert Taylor) taught me nothing about life in the big city.
Which is another way of saying "eff you". If you think asking people to realize it's not about race but about thugs who prey on EVERYONE is "preaching" then you're a bigger jag that we thought you were.
But, yeah, I've been in Denver three months so that means I no longer have any clue about life in Chicago. LOL. What a dope. Do YOU even live in Rogers Park?
would you testify for the Policeman or the thug in the civil or criminal trial?
At this point, a few cracks are necessary. When you've got shooting in the middle of the afternoon, it's too far out of hand for a "stern talking-to". Hell, I'd probably grab some popcorn and watch.
MOTS asked: "Do YOU even live in Rogers Park?"
No. But I certainly live closer to RP than you do. And if I did move to a place like Denver, I'd put my years in Chicago behind me to concentrate on my new life in Colorado. Apparently youre bored with the Rocky Mountain lifestyle.
Big Daddy:
Gangstas and neighborhood douche nozzles (Chipp, for instance) deserve a few cracks to the head...
I have seen police give thugs a "few well-deserved cracks", and yeah, I'd side with the police in a heartbeat in such episodes.
The only time I would NOT testify for the police is if I saw them bully some extremely no-count, harmless person for merely being weird, or obnoxious, or in the wrong place at the wrong time. And I've seen that, too, though not in Chicago. But I would not automatically testify against them, either, unless the offense against the civilian was truly egregious, and the civilian was someone I knew to be harmless.
And then I'd be prepared to clear out of town afterward, because when your police turn into thugs before your eyes,like New Orleans or some such place, your city is a goner.
No. But I certainly live closer to RP than you do.
So? You probably live close to an institution of higher learning too and yet that apparently hasn't had any affect on you either.
And if I did move to a place like Denver, I'd put my years in Chicago behind me to concentrate on my new life in Colorado. Apparently youre bored with the Rocky Mountain lifestyle.
So let me get this straight...you don't live in Rogers Park but it's OK for YOU to give them advice on how they should handle things. But a person such as myself who lived in Chicago for nearly 50 years and spent 20 of them in and near RP isn't qualified? Gotcha. Nice logic there. But sorry, I'm not about to take orders from you so save your typing fingers.
As for being bored with Colorado, that's about the only you got right, proving the blind squirrel theory.
I wish the police could give known gangbangers more than just a crack on the head. And I appreciate seeing the police patting them down or doing whatever they can to disrupt their business schedules.
But gangbangers have all de live long day and don't mind another trip to lockup so they can see their friends. It's just a part of their routine.
I would prefer the police give them a severe tuning up just short of needing medical attention. Don't need our health care system spending time or money on those losers.
Testify? I saw nothing.
Well, Big Daddy, yeah, that's also true about that meaning anyone.
As for me, the way you're describing the "other side", I do have a clue of what's going around me. I'm a lot of things, but stupid isn't one of them. Just letting everyone know that. And I'm certainly not anti-police. If I was, I wouldn't have defended CPD last night at the meeting. I don't think I could do half the job you guys do, but I'd like to assist you guys as a citizen.
I don't understand why citizens blame the police for surge in crime. That's absurd to me. How in the living hell is a spike in crime the police's fault?
I certainly don't take a thug's word over a cop's world. I used to a few years ago, but I'm not doing it anymore and I don't think I ever will again.
New Orleans is a poor example. Probably the most mismanaged city in the world. Well, next to Detroit anyway. I did think it was a nice effort on Nagins part to blow Katrina off on Bush though. I also think the the Police in that town were criminal when they confiscated firearms from the citizens. I would put any copper that did that in jail. But back to the question. I'm not talking about some poor helpless soul getting slapped around. I'm talking about the typical thug we all have come to know and love (not). You know, the kind that makes other peoples lives miserable. The kind that hang out on a corner, sell dope etc. Like the goofs at Sheridan/Leland we have been seeing so much of lately. A copper comes up and tells them to move on or go to the gray bar hotel. Thug mouths off, refuses to move along and then resists a little. Boom he get's a crack. Wrong? How many here are calling IPRA and complaining. How many are going to give statements defending the copper and how many will give statements defending the thug because as we all know, street justice is a horrible thing when administered by the Police.
I would testify for the Policeman, of course!
In the examples you mention, like the gang melees at Sheridan & Leland, I'd surely side with the police.
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