Toni at 24/7 Howardwatchers reports that last night a wanted man got shot in the ass.
According to the Howardwatcher report, "Shawn Johnson, between 27-30 years old, was taken to St. Francis Hospital in Evanston. He will survive.
Here again we keep sending beating victim's and gunshot victim's to Evanston for care. Why? Because we have no health care system in Rogers Park!
Where are our leaders when it comes to health care? Mr. "Health Care" expert David Fagus, you got a nice paying job working in the health care administration under John Stroger. Why don't we have any health care services in Rogers Park?
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What is Mr. Fagus' expertise in health care, and what is "the health care administration" that Craig says he is working in?
Just wondering...
(to be fair, Evanston is the closest emergency room to RP...even if we had better health care in RP, which I totally agree is a worthy goal, we might not have a trauma center anytime soon. Do we need one? That's a good question...)
Fagus' boss Stroger did VERY well in the 49th Ward Democrat's recent straw poll. Probably a coincidence.
you have a lot of nerve quoting crime stats here
No doubt you are hoping we won't ask where those numbers come from or how they were compiled or what the definition of "murder" is, it seems to be a bit discretionary lately
cute trick presenting MURDER stats as "1 in"
AS IF there was only one murder in Rogers Park last year
thisaintoz-
thank you for the links. i will study them.
i'm not sure why you do this, but you continue to make huge assumptions from what people are saying and what they are trying to do.
NO ONE, in this space or any blog i have read, that i can recall, ever was unrealistic enough to say that we wanted a crime free zone.
if your stats are current and correct, that's great. what ever happened to the concept of trying to get better?
and now you're advocating that we keep silent on crime concerns because of a fear of dropping property values?
we are right now, on the down side of a ten year real estate boom which was destined to end at some point. the decline in property values will drop because of oversupply and the continued rise of interest rates. that's a market condition and a natural uccurance in a free market system.
declining property values will have very little to do with people rightfully speaking out about crime.
Overall, it looks liek the numbers have gone down. And they have.
I don't have the exact stats, someone else can get them. But, the majority of these violent crimes are happening around the same few blocks. By diluting these stats by including all of Rogers Park, it makes the stats look better.
We do have some pockets in Rogers Park (NOH) that are very dangerous.
"Don't talk about crime - it will hurt your property values!"
We've heard that one before.
For some people in our neighborhood is a real estate market, for others it is our home.
Owning valuable property doesn't help you much if you're dead.
Step one is admitting you have a problem. We need MORE attention on our violent crime.
fighting the perception of crime is easier than fighting crime
The Hell Holes new crime stat maven thisaintoz surmised.......>" I put in Gale school, searched for crime within 1/4 mile of it -no homicides"..
Tell that to Mrs. Hudson, tell that to Mrs. Vernon.
Who murdered George Hudson
Who murdered Alex Vernon
I want a crime-free-zone.
Is there a certain number of murders or domestic batteries that you would say we should all agree to ignore in the name of boosting property values?
thisaintoz-
in my view, you might want to adopt an approach that matches your screen name. THIS AINT OZ, oz, because life is not perfect here in rp.
and numbers and stats don't even begin to tell the story. when you have been a victim of crime, you ARE afraid to leave your house. and what is wrong with allowing those people to express some of their fear and anger here on the blogs?
i notice you have ample time to post 12" long comments in defense of your imperious, i know better because i've been here longer attitude, yet you don't have one spare minute to agree on anything that doesn't fit into your view of the world.
well, i don't agree with your view that nothing can be accomplished in this country or in this ward.
and while you're busy fiddling at work defending yourself with stats, you don't have your ear to the ground.
something is starting to take shape oz. people are starting to realize that maybe we can work together if we try and set aside some differences and find common purpose.
and as time goes on and that happens more and more, because it will, your angry, obstructionist voice will be marginalized and set aside for something more constructive and meaningful.
and another big assumption- when you or any one else is generous enough to provide a link, i read it. that's the point of asking.
> ... Ceasefire the one organization in this neighborhood that has done something to bring the violence rate down ...
Those of us who have been around for a while know that crime is down because of Kevin O'Neil and Joe Moore. You are trying to take credit for their efforts.
OK, we get it, crime is down and it's because of Ceasefire. Nothing to do with the cameras, either.
OK?
watch them lie-
you are correct and i agree with that the perception of crime, is a far more difficult problem to get rid of.
i think what is missing from the statistics story, are the number of "quality of life" incidents that are making people fearful, yet can't be prosecuted.
intimidation tactics on the street, on the train and businesses i have spoken to lately, who are on the frontline , are having a difficult time dealing with the gangs.
yet, they are fearful, as everyone else is of saying anything.
I think it is time to move this conversation back to something that is actually important.
I hope the post that Tom Westgard put up at 10:55 didn't slip under everyone's radar. Thanks very much, Tom, for posting that extremely interesting, moving (actually, heartbreaking) brief. All readers here that are actually interested why things are the way they are should read it. I'm hoping that reading this document will help us all react to what going on around us in a more informed way.
(By the way, I agree Tom, this is a real scandal)
Sorry guys, I thought I was posting after the 3:52 post...
Didn't mean to imply you aren't important - you know I storge you both...
> I posted somewhere else that in beats 2424 and I forgot the other one, the shootings went down a lot when Ceasefire was there
During that same time...
... Cline was named Superintendent of Police, November 5, 2003 ...
... CAPS met every month ...
... a police camera was installed February 16, 2005 ...
... Moore launched Operation Morse Clean-up...
... DevCorp North deployed a private security force.
Come off it, man. Give me a break. Sorry, pal, all the stats in the world are NEVER going to prove CeaseFire made any difference. It's not that simple. Give us some credit.
oh, yeah...
... new 24th District Commander Bruce Rottner, Spring, 2005 ...
thisaintoz-
to publicly admit you were wrong That type of retraction hardly ever happens on blogs.....
i apologized to thomas westgard on his blog.
thisaintoz-
are you directing the ceasefire apology references to me or are you confusing me with someone else? i have not made one single comment about ceasefire either here or on rpr.
Toto sez:
thisaintoz: kiss kiss. you are so right. i might even write a song for you.
bye bye
Dear Craigy:
There used to be a hospital on Howard. Now its a high rise condo. Maybe you can do a condo-ectomy and remove the owners, retro-fit the emergency room, hire some drs. nurses and dietary aides.
Yum yum, lime jello for everyone!!!!
thisaintoz -
I don't really get why you think anyone should give you a retraction for anything. But if you think the "retraction" should be based on the links you provided, I am sorry. Nothing you posted proves anything about this program. If you like the program, fine. But if you think that you have offered anything that is persuasive to adults with brains in their heads...
So, really, this is more for other people who may be reading this than it is for you, because I really don't think you are listening anymore. I’m sorry if this seems harsh, but you have been asking for it today, asking for it really, really hard. Here goes.
First, the press release. Press releases are a public relations tool, nothing more, nothing less. The release is to announce that a big chunk of money was awarded to do a project. It contains no real evidence of any positive outcome of the project. Sorry, I know they throw some numbers around, but there is nothing substantive in that press release.
Second, the request for proposal. This request for proposal solicits vendors to study the Cease Fire program. The RFP contains a comprehensive abstract of the program so that whoever proposes has some idea of what they will be expected to study. We are not getting the evaluation proposals here (which would contain, among other things, their proposal for outcomes methodologies) and we also don’t get the evaluation product which would be the result of the executed proposal offered in response to the RFP. Had you offered even one of those two things, perhaps we would have had the basis for a reasonable discussion about whether the Cease Fire program actually delivers what it promises. But you did not give us that; you gave us an RFP. You can rail at us all you like, but if you want to actually persuade people, you are going to have to use reason, not force. At least, you will if I am the person you want to persuade
watch them lie -
Rereading this string I was struck by your calm and thoughtful analysis, which really got right to the core of what was wrong with some of the arguments made here today.
Thanks for that.
> ... Ceasefire gets funding by law enforcement agencies ...
Earmarks have been much in the national news lately as an aspect of lobbying reform in Congress. And that's how Ceasefire in Rogers Park is funded: through a earmark. Ceasefire leap-frogged over the Chicago Police Department, the City of Chicago, Cook County, and the State of Illinois Department of Corrections, and cut a side-car agreement between politicians. It is inaccurate for you to describe Ceasefire as funded "by law enforcement agencies." Ceasefire is not a program of any law enforcement agency. No law enforcement agency had anything to do with securing funding for Ceasefire in Rogers Park. Ceasefire in Rogers Park is funded through a quarter of a million dollar earmark from the State of Illinois arranged by House Speaker Madigan and Rep. Osterman.
Memoranda of Understanding
Memorandum of Understanding
> ... the police department doesn't have enough manpower to fix the crime rate in a city the size of Chicago ...
The quarter mil might have put a couple of extra uniformed police on Morse.
Thisaintoz -
You said:
Why don't you read it again or perhaps you don't realize that the Justice Department doesn't spend milllions of dollars to study why programs FAIL they study them to find out why they are SUCCESSFUL so they can use them as a model to implement them other places or to justify funding their expansion...
I have read it, and I read similar things every single day of my professional life; I am very accustomed to reading RFPs and their responses critically. You are really barking up the wrong tree here.
Please try to understand:
The DOJ under John Ashcroft (and probably under every other director), like every other sector of government in every other country on the face of this globe wastes money and is wrong about programs they fund from time to time. Are they wrong about this one? Who knows? Perhaps that's why they put an RFP out to study it. But I understand, I would venture, perhaps a little more thoroughly than you do, all the varieties of spin that can be embedded into an RFP and all the holes too. That is what I saw when I read this document that you hold up as the ultimate proof of the worthiness of this program.
And as Hugh so usefully points out, most of the funding for Cease Fire - Rogers Park up to this point has come from a purely political source. Perhaps, like you, Speaker Madigan and Rep. Osterman, are more interested in looking like they are doing something than they are in actually doing it, in this instance. At least, that is my impression and nothing you have offered so far has served to budge that impression one inch.
I'm sorry to tell you this so bluntly, but informed close reading will win out over hectoring bullying with people of goodwill most of the time. Perhaps it is time to change your tactics.
Paradise,
In my opinion, any organization that is raking in this kind of sponsorship should be able to demonstrate some outcomes that are independently verifiable, using outcomes methodology can be independently validated. Plans are fine as far as they go...but please, at this point in the maturity of this organization, I think we can expect a bit more...(this would hold true for any well run organization, regardless of where they get their money...passionate talk about how worthy they are just seems like a smokescreen to me...)
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