Ald. Bernard Stone (50th) said Tuesday that the city's inspector general is investigating absentee ballots cast in the election earlier this year that returned him to the City Council for a 10th term in a probe that Stone contended "is occurring all over the city of Chicago."
"Some of you aldermen had better be advised that [Inspector General David Hoffman] is going all over different wards in this city issuing subpoenas to various people in this city," Stone said at a meeting of the council's Budget Committee. "I didn't know whether he had authority to do that, but he's doing it." Full story.
BLOGNOTES: Discuss, and Mo, I know you will.
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do you think that this will actually make a difference? it's just another waste of government time and tax payer dollars.
Note to Aldercrook Moore: Be afraid...be very, very afraid.
yeah, where is that mountain of evidence?
when the inspector general also fails to find any evidence, will you then admit that joe won fair and square? course not. you are an anarchist at heart.
So, Mo, you're ok with Joe electioneering in a nursing home while people vote? That's ok with you? What about Michael James buying votes with drinks? What about election judges not allowing provisional ballots until an address can be checked out? No one needs a mountain of evidence - a tiny speck is all anyone needs to see how crooked he is. Attending a meeting while he spews his crap is enough to see how in-effective he is. It's not sour grapes - it is looking around at any other ward and seeing how things get done, how city services are used and seeing that things here don't get done. Have you driven around any ward close to us and seen the trees? How nicely trimmed they are? Take a look at our trees in comparison...some are half dead, some have unsafe branches just waiting for a big snow (soon to come). If Joe spent time in this ward he should be looking around, making phone calls to get things done when he sees them. He doesn't - in fact he ignores issues in this ward. Why? Because he is an idiot who spends his job time doing other things that don't affect his ward.
It's just a screen name. It came from everyone endorsing (including Joe, Obama, Jan and others) Stroger. And it comes from being sick of the way things are done in the city and in Springfield. I'm sick of it all. Just too lazy to change the screen name. 'Kay?
dear craig, i mean, sick of dems
prove that any of those things happened. there was an election. we won. get a grip on it.
Been there: WE won? No, we didn't win anything. Joe won. The rest of us all lost.
After those election results nobody won. Our ward lost big time with that idiot in office. And you would think that since there is such a split in the neighborhood he would try to bring people together. No such luck. You would think he would see it as a wake up call and start working for his ward. No such luck - still the same old Joe. Time has shown his arrogance. And we all lose.
Dear winners:
Please tell me what you won via Joe?
Is it that new invisible fire station?
Maybe it's the eradication of drug dealers from Morse Ave?
Maybe it's the eradication of the drug addicts and criminals who live in our parks?
Is it the flood of businesses following pied piper Joe to our little hamlet?
I know, it's the careful planning for real estate development and condo conversions that Joe has spearheaded.
No. Wait! Maybe it's the wave of new, innovative ward services Joe has introduced?
Or perhaps it's just all wrapped up in the incredibly responsive ward office that Joe has always run?
Yeah. It must be all those things.
we won a bunch of sore losers.
Mo, why are you ok with the status quo? Why is it ok that your Alderman can't get anything done? We "sore losers" wanted and were ready for a change. The ward is ready for a change. I did vote for Joe in the past. I have lived here all my life. When he showed he can't get it done I voted for a change. The status quo isn't good enough when looking at other wards you can see the difference. Joe is too comfortable and shows it. If you can point out something wonderful Joe has done (and here's the sticky point - it can't be something he just has taken credit for doing) FOR THIS WARD in the past year - let us know. He bought Jim Ginderske with a seat on a committee. He is in the pocket of real estate developers. He has become (over his years in office) the icky politician everyone needs to throw out.
Mo, you are officially part of the problem.
Congratulationsl
people, in a democracy, people abide by the decision of the voters. you all lost. people believed their own eyes, not your bullshit.
you all should take a ride over to, say, woodlawn, and drive around for a while. this is a great neighborhood, headed in the right direction.
get over it. you LOST.
haha, that's all you can point out?
that we are all sore losers?
yes, i would love one of the joe supporters to please point out what he has accomplished for the people of rogers park.
make a list, please, and post it. I really would like to know, as i am sure others would as well. what is our hundred grand a year getting us? besides the usual bullshit, and joe's trips to washington.
by the way, i'm pretty sure nathon has posted on her before about how responsive the 49th ward office is, and how they respond to emails. i have emailed the office, as well as my girlfriend (about different things) and we've never even gotten the courtesy of a response.
its not hard to setup an auto responder, at least give the illusion that you give a shit about hearing from anyone who lives here. maybe i'll enclose $50 next time.
yes, please, let's hear how joe has improved rogers park since he entered office in 1991. please provide detailed listing of things joe has done for the community. chicago city-wide improvements may also be included.
Put up or shut up, Mo. Please do enlighten us poor ignorant losers.
The usual shakedown in the Joe Moore's office is a campaign contribution and a membership to Devcorp North.
Mo - Yes this is a great neighborhood. Yet it is headed nowhere. Improvements are slow to come and unless you line Joe's pocket you have a hard time doing anything. You still can't point out how he (personally, in his position as alderman) has improved this ward. He lies about crime being down, lies to people in regards to real estate happenings, and generally stays in his comfort zone of doing nothing. He should be trying to bring the ward together. Instead he creates the larger divide by not addressing larger issues in our ward. Just make a list, Mo. We're all waiting to see it. Actions speak louder than words.... Joe talks and nothing happens. He can't look people in the eye, either. The sure sign of someone hiding something and dishonesty.
the campaign is over. your lies lost. why don't you stop wasting YOUR breath?
haha, that is pretty pathetic, you can't even come up with one thing, much less a list.
Jesus, Moe, at least have the guts to either defend the guy with a list of his accomplishments or admit that Joe simply sucks at his job.
The truth is that if Joe worked in the corporate world, he would have been kicked to the curb more than a decade ago.
Run along, Mo. You serve no purpose.
i could bother, but i wont. why? because everything i would list would be said to be someone else's work that joe is taking credit for. or outside the bounds of the 49th, as though that matters. so why bother?
Mo. Really. Run along.
And Mo: If everything you can list can be attributed to someone else or to somewhere outside of our ward, it really isn't a list of Joe's 49th ard accomplishments.
OK. You can go.
so, joe hasn't accomplished anything because you can lie about it? huh?
you people are the ones who should run along. BECAUSE YOU LOST!!
Still waiting for your list, Mo.
And your inability to produce anything in the way of an accomplishment from Joe only proves once more that we all lost, Mo. We all lost.
You, however, are still a bigger loser.
God, don't the 10 of you have anything better to do?
Geez, it's like a bunch of crying babies around here who didn't get their way.
Well, next election, try to fix it, and for now, SHUT UP.
Quit stroking mr negativity, Craig!
Rumor has it that the Heartland Cafe owners are going to file suit today against Craig.......
Enjoy Craigie!!!!!
About time some one got even with you.
Craig are you ready to give up Daddy's little empire?
Gee, natass. We didn't know you cared.
(Don't you have some homework to do?)
Hey Mo, shouldn't you be working on a mural or something? Oh, that's right, you're way behind schedule. We lose again.
Moore won by 251 votes - hardly a landslide victory, especially considering a) the first time around he DIDN'T win the majority of the vote, and b) only about a third of the ward even bothered to vote. That's not democracy, that's dumb luck. So come on, Mo, what has he accomplished that he deserved those extra 251 votes? It isn't getting the drug dealers off Morse, getting the homeless out of the park, or even keeping the pigeons from crapping all over the sidewalks under the el tracks. Just name one thing besides saving duck livers in Chicago.
This is the crap that makes me nuts. Joe supporters jump around all happy that they won. Unfortunately, the pinheads aren't even bright enough to determine what they won, if anything. Mo is the classic example. Can't tell you a single thing the idiot has done for our community. Just repeatedly rants like a trained monkey that she won. Not a brain in the bunch.
ok, just to keep this fun game going a little longer- new field school, cmsa, new library, triangle park, gateway center, gale community center, improvements to gale school, and a bustling real estate market. (i know that most of you would rather see the housing stock around here sit and rot rather than see anyone make a money. but i think that is a bad thing, so i put it on my list.)
did joe do any of these things alone? no, of course not. did joe work with community members to achieve them, why, yes, obviously, he did.
and here is a little freebie for you, re- the fire station.
do you know why it has taken so long? here is what happened. the city was already in the process of acquiring the property for the station when the owner sold it the folks that opened the little tienda there. the owner should have disclosed that it was in acquisition, but he did not. the alderman's office warned the owners that the property was going to be acquired, and recommended that they just make a deal and go elsewhere. they did not listen. they opened their store, and did their best to fight city hall. they lost in the end, as they were warned that they would. that is what the hold up has been.
Jesus, Mo, you really are dumber than a bag of dirt. Honestly, you did nothing more than copy a list from Joe's own web site.
Seriously, please explain a few things:
What was Joe's part in these so-called accomplishments and what is the timing for most of them?
I'll refute them indivually if you like, but let's see if you actually know anything.
Let's start with the easiest: How is Joe responsible for what you call a bustling real estate market
in the 49th ward?
Let's see if you actually know anything or simply can copy from the other idiot's web site.
actually, that list is just off the top of my head. but just for the record, my support has a lot more to do with the things he has done "outside the ward" as you all like to moan.
Well, mo, why don't we devote a great deal of time to my personal accomplishments outside the ward then talk about what a fabulous alderman I am!
You should be embarrassed.
well, i am not only not embarrassed, i am downright proud of my alderman, and the part i played in getting him re-elected.
ask my how much i care what you and the rest of these wackos think.
You hit on the operative word, Mo: Think. You ought to give it a try some time.
gasp! how i wither in your harsh gaze. i am mortally wounded! not
Personally I would like to have an alderman who accomplishes things in the ward, not out of the ward. If you want to vote Moore into the City Council or the Senate or some other office so he can march on the White House to protest the war or campaign to save goose livers everywhere, you go right ahead - so much the better so the rest of us can have an alderman who actually cares about cleaning up the 49th.
I think that the person known as "been there" has spawned a new neighborhood slogan... "Rogers Park - Better than Woodlawn!". If that doesn't make me want to move there, I don't know what will.
In fact, that brings to mind a good campaign slogan for Joe Moore... "Joe Moore - Better than Helen Shiller!". It's a bit of a toss up, but Joe does have that going for him, I suppose.
then you will be represented by an idiot.
government bodies MUST work together. are you really saying that we are not affected by the rest of the world? today? this world?
are you really saying that the alderman of the 49th ward is no longer entitled to the protections of the constitution? he should not speak. he should not have the freedom to assemble. if i follow that “logic” you don't think he is not even allowed to be a part of a political party, is he?
just how many politicians do you know who have stood up for what is right these days? stood up to big money. said no to walmart. whether you appreciate that or not.
but really, how man have stood up to george w bush, the biggest psychotic to ever inhabit the white house. how many dared at the beginning of this debacle to stand up and say no, right from the start. look it up. there were few.
why would you want an alderman that is silent, "minding his own business" through the cascade of violence that has been unleashed by these maniacs? a mess that will ultimately land in our back yard? you should hang your head at the spectacle of you people demanding that your someone who won an election should be silenced. or should take orders from a bitter minority.
this hammering away, "only us, only this ward, only what we few think, only us. only us." selfishness. feeding upon itself. sucking the air out of room. whether on purpose or not, this carping and lying, this bullying, serves no good.
he won. the majority want him to keep on speaking. to keep on working with his party. to keep on doing what he is doing. that majority may be slim. but i can tell you it has a bigger, harder core of support than your little corner of hell. go ahead and keep tugging. but you are on the short end of the rope.
I can't believe I am posting but I have to say something. My husband got me hooked on this blog about a month ago and I find it addicting. While I do feel, at times, Craig is complaining a lot I do realize it is his blog. It also appears that he actually cares about the neighborhood and the people that live here. But I have to comment to "Natas" because you tell Craig to get a life etc, etc, however I just saw your blog and it is entirely devoted to bashing Craig. That is pretty sad! I know you may write back and say that Craig is doing the same thing to Joe, that may be true but the difference is is that Joe's actions and choices effect everyone in RP! Maybe you should get a life "Natas" and stop worrying about what Craig is doing.
And what about the cascade of violence right here? What about the cascade of litter and trash in our parks, streets and yards? If he could get this done - here - then no one would mind if he spent time and money working on bigger issues. The problem is that he hasn't and won't and will never change. He is a smarmy, little man who can't get things done here at home so decides to get people like you, Mo to concentrate on a bigger issue, like the war and it seemingly makes him a bigger fish. Anyone can protest the war and most of us do. It takes a big man, though, to be able to change things right here at home. Again - he hasn't done it.
sick,
on a day that nuclear war heads were "accidentally" loaded on a b52,, from a base that is supporting forces in the middle east, for you to be whining about cheetos bags makes me want to puke. that about says it all for team gordon.
but we won. joe won. you continue with the tripe to the detriment of us all.
And Mo, you continue to NOT see what his job really is. And the job he really doesn't do. No one discounts in any way shape or form what goes on in the rest of the world. We all read the paper, check the internet and read the news. But his not focusing on issues here at home have an impact on our quality of life every day. Right here. And looking at your focus it is obvious that he has done his job in taking the focus away from here - with you. But the rest of us see through his smarmy ways. You are blind.
Not only is Mo blind, she hasn't started on the tax payer funded mural project that was promised to be started in mid-August.
What's up with that? Another broken promise. This time by Mo herself.
> this carping and lying, this bullying, serves no good.
Amen Mo. Tell Joe to stop messing with his constituents. After Memorial Day he was trying his best to humiliate me at his 'satellite advertisement' at the Howard El. It backfired.
Today, he had his back to me and just happened to keep it that way. I'm sure Frazier told him '*&*^& is coming' so Joe ignored me. Sigh.
Or was he avoiding me because he hasn't answered my email sent to ward 49 and aol? Is it because Land hasn't answered my voice message query?
So if an email can't be responded to, a call returned, then he isn't taking care of ALL constituents. But we already knew that didn't we?
It's the little things that really get to people, things like cheetos bags. Plus, some people tend to be more locally focused and there is nothing wrong with that.
Mo, are you aware that a good number of people consider Joe's inner circle to consist of nutjobs stuck in the past? Let me ask you this, if Don Gordon had won, what would you be doing now?
Would you be a sore loser? You sure are a sore winner sometimes gloatig over everyone. How did you feel when GWB acted like he had a "mandate" when all us Dems felt he stole the election? I was extremely depressed. Now Joe Moore is no GWB, but I do think he needs to do more to acknowledge the dissatisfaction that almost half the voters of the ward felt last election. He's still early in his term, so perhaps he will.
That said, I take no issue with your politics. I think many are just more practical and would like an Alderman that lives and breathes making our ward better. To some, Joe's job seems sloppy.
It will be interesting to see how things develop over the next 4 years. I would like to see some real change and improvement. Things are changing, but pretty slowly. At least people care enough to complain.
It's a shame though that there is this disharmony truly. I feel it affects me and not always in a good way. One walks around the neighborhood passing someone on te street and wonders, "Is that one of those folks that hate me or my friends?" Of course I try not to let it bother me that much, but it's there.
And seeing how Joe treats constituents who may not have voted for him shows us all how small he really is. If he had half a brain he would see that a large portion of people here didn't vote for him - and he would try to gain their respect and future votes by doing his job. Putting his differences aside and getting the job done. But no - Joe is still in grammar school - and he acts like it. He has done nothing to actually earn an honest vote. Or anyone's respect - even those he works with in city hall.
craig,
here is a lesson in the english language- promise and goal mean two pretty different things. we had a goal. we knew it was a long shot. no one promised any date of any kind. why? because they are professionals. they have done this before. they know how many ducks have to be in a row. it was always- if everything falls into place, we can do this. but realistically, well, we we're just gonna try.
like i said. if it had been left to the artists, it would be done by now. rob has also put in about 3 times as many hours as he is getting paid for.
i am happy with my alderman. in 49. in washington. in hollywood. in the democratic party. whatever.
think whatever you want. people who have small minds see the small things.
That's a very small minded view Mo.
Mo, your argument has a hole that you could drive a truck through. GWB, you know, that guy who started the war, also got voted into office by the majority vote - slim, but still the majority. Democracy at work, as you pointed out before that's how Joe got reelected. So it's ok for you and Joe to stamp your feet and protest the war and "the biggest psychotic to every inhabit the White House" but if we don't like how Joe does his job then we're just a bunch of whiners and sore losers? I bet the 1/2 of the country who voted for GWB would say the same of you. But it was GWB who stole the election(s), and Joe's hands are squeaky clean, right?
Joe's job is to take care of the 49th ward. If it should be part of his job to protest wars and stand up for what is "right" then he needs to get himself elected to another job (and not for lack of trying, apparently) where those things are included in the job description - like City Council, or the Senate, like I said before. He can believe and protest whatever he wants on his own time (and he really looked like a buffoon in front of the White House with his little folder, btw), but if the guy doesn't do his job, he should be fired - because that's what happens to people who don't do their jobs. It would be "right" for drug dealing on Morse to be eradicated, for people to be able to walk around at night without getting beat up, for there to be traffic calming measures on Sheridan and stop signs on Glenwood, for there to be no homeless people sleeping in Loyola Park, and for there to be pigeon-deterring spikes under the el tracks. Who takes care of those things while Joe is in DC protesting the war?
No, of course Joe shouldn't be silent - but we should, right? If we stand up for what we believe in, we're whiny losers and complainers. We can't stand up and demand change at home, that would make us selfish. But by all means Joe should keep protesting the war and fois gras, because there's nothing completely ineffectual about that at all. GWB didn't listen to half his Senate and half the country, but he should listen to Joe. That sure makes sense. Seems to me the only one sucking the air out of the room here is you.
Government bodies working together? What other govenmental body is going to help the 49th if Joe's too busy with his own agenda? I think they broke government into Federal, State, City, and Local branches for a reason, don't you? Maybe we should get Obama and Blago and Durbin to clean up our ward while Joe's in DC, huh? Everyone works together, covering each other's asses so the whole job gets done. Right. Kumbaya to you too. I don't know what you're smoking, but it sure stinks.
>That's a very small minded view Mo.
It’s also a very hypocritical one. Here we have a liberal Democrat who only sees her own national viewpoint. In Mo’s mind, Bush stole the election(s) and America lost because of it. Yes Mo, your children will suffer because of W’s reign. You want to impeach GWB for his crimes but he won the election just like Joe did. He won - so stop your complaining - right? That’s what you’re telling us to do locally in the 49th Ward isn’t it? Joe won so we should just shut up. Well Mo, Bush won by a small margin too so why don’t you just shut up about that? But you don’t do you? No, you have a “Honk If You Want Impeachment” sign on the back of your truck, don’t you? And you complain endlessly about the fact that he’s our president – just like we complain endlessly that Joe is our Alderman. Don’t you see the hypocrisy there?
I really think we've got you pinned on this point Mo. All you can do is dis' people because they have differing ideas of what an Alderman's primary job is. Yet we use logic and you are silent.
And wrap your big mind around this, Mo - we've got home grown terrorists right here in our backyards. Drug users and dealers, gangs, thugs, using fear and violence against decent law-abiding people. Why shouldn't we insist that our elected official clean up our own backyard before telling someone else how to clean up the rest of the world. Set an example for the rest of the wards, the cities, etc. Joe in DC protesting he war, that's what we should elect him for? He can't even look people in the eye when asked a direct question, and yet he should be our elected representative to persuade others to a better world view?
I'm a pretty mild-mannered person - I hardly ever comment on this blog. Three posts in a row, that's how truly irritating you are. I'm that stunned and outraged by your blatant hypocrisy.
Okay, as Jocelyn said, I think we’ve “pinned” Mo on her idiotic philosophy and it’s time to move on - ignore her. At this point she’s just a troll in this thread. On to something real:
The fact that the IG is looking into this is relevant. It wouldn’t be happening if there was nothing there to back up an investigation. Joe’s gotta be freaking out and he should be. The fact that he hasn’t heard anything about it should make him worry even more.
First the IG, then the AG, then the DA, and finally Fitz!
If Fitz can convict Scooter Libby for what he did, what do you think he could do to Joe?
And oh yeah, Bush aint gonna pardon you Joe.
time for a reality check: joe moore has had as much impact on changing foreign policy as well, mo. which is to say that joe has had NO effect on foreign policy. so. . . mo and joe have achieved the same results, the only difference is that the taxpayers (which include mo, presuming that she actually pays taxes) pay joe but we don't pay mo. i vote for mo! hey, mo, tell you what -- you love joe so much and the job he's doing then you pay him his whopping $120,000 annual pay -- plus bennies which comes to close to $200,000 (or more) and give the rest of us our money back. i'd even be willing to give my share to your damn lame mural project. btw, you know that project has no soul. you know it sister and so do I. it's got no soul, no heart, no passion. might as well be walmart doing the instal. i understand that you were only going to be making $10/hr. on that project. walmart pays same. but you'd have to smile at the customers.
I'm afraid Mo gets her logic from Curly and Larry.
It's really kind of pathetic that Joe is pretty successful at getting the ignorant to recite his party line.
LET'S ALL START A RACIST BLOG WHERE WE ALL ACCUSE YOUNG BLACK MALES HANGING ON THE CORNER OF BEING GANG BANGERS AND DOPE DEALERS!!! GOOD JOB U FFING BIGOT!!!
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